Sid: That’s kind of an understatement for my guest Joan Hunter; she’s been a guest many times. Most of you are familiar with her parents affectionately called the “Happy Hunters.” And Joan I have to believe that one of the major impacts of your parents, and their in Heaven now; one of the major impacts is if they could do the miracles and the healings anyone could. That was the feeling I had and I image a lot of people had when they watched them minister.
Joan: That is very very true and people not only where Mom and Dad were concerned, but also in my services “They’ll go it can’t be that easy, it really can’t be that easy.” Well the word of God says that “We’re going to lay hands on the sick and they’re going to recover.” And if mom and dad could do it I knew I could do it, I did it and if I do it I know that anybody that’s listening who is a believer can do it because that’s what the Word of God says.
Sid: And you know my logic, my spiritual logic says this whole thing should be easy, but it’s become so complex; and I look at what you teach and for instance you teach about erasing the pain of your past. And I’m expecting some very complex things and years of intensive prayer and mediating on the word; and you show them instant ways of getting rid of the pain of the past; instant ways of closing the doors of stress and trauma. And as a matter of fact I love your new book called “Healing Starts Now,” it’s a complete training manual; and the reason I love it is you not only take every major disease, but you tell us exactly how to pray for it. And you not only tell us exactly to pray for that particular disease, you have pictures of you or other people exactly how they should pray. Its, I have to tell you my thought as I was reading it is it’s too easy.
Joan: And man and theology has made healing hard; I believe that we need to get back to the basics; I believe in the kiss method. You know, keep it simple saints, not the other way, saints, and as simple as it is people are going you “These, this you know, it can’t be real, it cannot be real.” And like I’ll pray for somebody for new, I’ll put my hand around the neck area very lightly, of course not very tight and just say in the Name of Jesus I speak health and wholeness to all the vertebrae’s and disks in this back in Jesus Name. I command the height to be restored because with osteoporosis and fusions of the back and deteriorated degenerative disc disease all these things people lose height. And I’ll say in the Name of Jesus I command this body to be restored to the proper height and it just goes l-2-3-4 inches in a matter of seconds. And congregation will just go, “Ahhhhh!” they’ll just start screaming.
Sid: Tell me about one person you did this for.
Joan: Oh, literally hundreds in the last month. Like a lady came in and she had osteoporosis; her bones were eaten up with just arthritis and everything not to mention the pain. And had a dowager hump, completely humped over prayed; I commanded the dowager hump to go straight and her back to go straight and her vertebras to be restored and her discs. And she just, I mean in a matter of oh maybe five seconds grew four inches, back is as a board, strong as can be, pain gone, new vertebras and disks because she could move her head up down, sideways not all the way around but most of the way. And just total complete freedom that she hadn’t experienced in twenty years.
Sid: You told me that you recently got back from a trip to El Salvador. Tell me about one of the meetings there.
Joan: It was so incredibly crowded, we couldn’t the people, they were anticipating 200, we had 450 people crammed in a room that holds about 250 and they couldn’t get to me, I couldn’t get to them. I love praying for the sick and laying hands on the sick and so forth and it was just like, how can I do this God? And He said, “This is when you click into the working of miracles.” And so I said, “Anybody who’s got a knee problem stand up put your hands on your own knees and let’s pray.” And I had them actually repeat the prayer, “Father right now in the Name of Jesus I curse any form of arthritis or anything like that, any form of trauma to the knees command all pain to go and I speak to knees, new knees in one-two whichever one they needed in the Name of Jesus. And I said, “Thank you Jesus” and the go “Glory Adios.” And I said now “Check your knees, how you feeling?” Every single one of them were completely healed and we did that with shoulders, pain in the neck, pains in the back sciatic nerve. There was literally thousands of different healings because some people had five or seven diseases and they were all healed. The reports coming in of people getting healed in that meeting, some we cannot tell at the meeting like diabetes, but the reports that are coming back that they are free of diabetes and I never laid hands on one of them, and yet there was thousands of healings that night.
Sid: It was an atmospheric anointing, that’s what you’re describing.
Joan: Yes. And the day before that particular meeting that I was describing I had two people that came in that were paralyzed; one had fallen five, out of a five story building I think on construction; the other man was shot in his back. And so I said “Okay I’m going to pray, curse a spirit of death and death assignment, command the spinal cord to go back together etc.” And I’ve got long fingernails and not too long, but anyway I said, “I’m going to go down the side of your body; you tell me when you can feel it.” And you know he said, “Yes, yes, yes” and I got to like the rib cages and he said, “Whoa I’m ticklish and I didn’t even know I was ticklish,” because he had paralyzed for fifteen years and went down all the way to his toes and his toes were tickling you know he could feel it; he had complete feeling restored to his lower body. The other guy the same also; one is completely walking with, he’s just strengthening in his legs; the other one is starting to walk now. And it’s just awesome getting the reports back you know from when I was there with all this supernatural healings that God does.
Sid: You know, I love to interview you Joan because your anointing jumps on me as I’m listening to you, and as I’m listening to you I see someone getting an entire new hip, whole pelvic area and hip bone. It’s just I normally don’t get a word that specific, but I got it as I was talking with you and I found the same thing was true with your Mom when I would interview her. Tell me briefly about the time with your own eyes you saw your parents ministering in Columbia with all those wheelchairs, tell me about it.
Joan: It was so incredible this was one of the high lights of Mom’s life of going down there and I had the privilege of there, being with her when this happened. And she just goes “Oh God there is so many people here that need healing and Father just touch all of them are in their wheel chairs, heal them in the Name of Jesus.” And all of a sudden these people just started popping up all over this room or actually it was a soccer stadium that had somewhere between 50 and 75,000 added. And they were just getting up out of wheel chairs, getting out of wheel chairs and they didn’t know what to do so they took their wheel chairs and their going “ Woo, woo , woo” raising them up and down and up and down. And then they just started, they didn’t know what to do with them because they didn’t need them anymore so they started passing them forward and we had over fifty wheel chairs that had been sent up to the front because the people didn’t need them anymore. I’m not aware of any body going home in a wheelchair that night.
Sid: Has the Spirit of God spoken to you about something that Kathryn Kulman prophesied? She prophesied, “A day is coming in which Christians will go into hospitals and clear out everyone that is sick. And I believe that we’re living in that day right now.
Joan: I totally agree with you on that; part of my teaching is “Close the Door to Stress and Trauma” which I do the prayers in the book.
Sid: Well, why is it so important to close the door to stress and trauma?
Joan: Well, trauma is what’s bringing on so many of these problems that people are having and you know you may have prayed for people and they we’re healed. I had a lady come in recently and she was in a wheel chair and she had arthritis, she had a problem with her rotator cuff, she had a slew of things, so much pain, digestion and she said, “I prayed, I use to pray with your Mom and Dad on the Healing Team all of this kind of stuff and I can’t get myself healed.” And I said, “Have you prayed for trauma?” She goes I never heard of that until tonight. And I said okay, “Father right now in the Name of Jesus I curse the spirit of trauma, I command it to be gone from this body in Jesus Name.” She started crying, she started getting free of the trauma that had happened to her. I said, “I curse the rejection, the abandonment, the this the that and the trauma from falling on the shoulder”, and I just went through a whole list of things, and then at that point she just went; I never prayed for her healing, I never had time to because she was already healed because the trauma and the cellular memory; which is, you can goggle that and find out the truth about cellular memory and it remembers the trauma.
Sid: It stays in your body, what about someone who’s mind has blocked the trauma and they don’t even remember it to ask for prayer?
Joan: Well, I make sure everybody I pray for that I cover the spirit of trauma no matter what it is. People come in with fibromyalgia, they have forgotten about the trauma of fibromyalgia the root cause is trauma. So I have had literally I’ve seen thousands of people healed in the last three years of fibromyalgia.
Sid: Our Messiah is getting ready to return and I have, I’d say of all the people that I could be interviewing right now, I have the top man that was literally called by God to expose secrets that the media has purposely hidden from us. That will give us insight into the end time antichrist system and I am fascinated by the information this man has. His name is Gary Kah, spelled K A H and Gary has a background in which his parents were involved in with the Nazi’s and the communist and running for their life. And Gary as a young age when he heard these stories couldn’t comprehend why at least Christians wouldn’t rise up and do something about it. And he decided that, he actually made a vow and about how old were you Gary?
Gary: It was in sixth grade, I would have been eleven years old.
Sid: Boy, that’s a young age and so then he prepared, he graduated from college with top honors and he had a degree in International Marketing in Economics. And as a matter of fact he had three majors, then he went to work for the Europe and Middle East Trade…
Gary: I went to work for the State of Indiana for the Lieutenant Governor of Indiana but my title was Europe and Middle East Trade Specialist.
Sid: And he was in charge of some twenty countries. Then in 1980 he uncovered something that no one had been talking about before. In the ‘80s he uncovered about the printing of new US currency which would be a stepping stone obviously for the One World Currency and being a student of the Bible he didn’t have to be a mental giant to know why this was going on. When you found this out, what did you do about this information Gary?
Gary: Well, at first again I had to wonder what the Lord’s purpose was in this and what I should do, I asked that same question. It was actually myself and one other person from our office which was under the Lieutenant Governor of Indiana some people from Richard Lugers office and from the Major of Indianapolis office who toured a company here in town who was getting ready to build the printing presses to print the new US currency. This was back in February of 1984 when we took a tour of this plant and learned about these things and of course later on our new currency began to come out in ’96. So I knew about this about twelve years in advance, but again I wondered what to do about this. So I began to pray about it and the Lord put people in my life who knew a lot that was going on overseas with other currencies and I began to research, interview people and look into the matter and discovered that a number of different currencies were either in the process of coming out or had just come out around the globe. And this was all part of an effort to make the currencies more similar, to give them common features and to eventually merge this all into a single global currency system at some point down the road. But that really got me researching and digging into the economic side of things and I used some of the contacts that I had at the embassies. And I failed to mention that when I traveled overseas my meetings were organized through the US embassies. So even though I was on the payroll of the state government my dealings overseas were through the federal government and so I learned quite a bit through some of the people working at the embassies that had become friends of mine especially in the commercial sections of the embassies. And one thing led to another and finally I began to speak out on this and warn people and say this is what’s going to happen and there is an alternative motive behind this.
Sid: Awe yes, but you started warning people you received, you were issued an ultimatum by the administration superior to keep quiet or else resign from your position. What did you decide to do?
Gary: That’s right that was in April of 1985 and I was absolutely floored, I remember after the meeting I came back to my office and just stared out of my window for the better part of an hour. And then called my best friend who was a Christian who worked in the Secretary of State’s office and we had lunch together and I told him what had just happened and we prayed together and I decided not to do anything rash, but to give it a few weeks and then make a final decision on what I should do. And so I took one final trip overseas that was already planned. It was with our Secretary of State, Ed Simcox and several other people, a delegation that was planning to go to Russia and China and so I decided I would go ahead and take that trip and see how the Lord leads. And then I remember sitting in the airport in San Francisco on the way back and the Lord just gave me the word to write down for a letter or resignation. And I couldn’t write fast enough, I really believe the Lord was giving me the words to write. And when I came back I submitted that letter of resignation and basically told the administration that I believed strongly that especially given my heritage and my background and what my parents went through that I needed to take a stand on these matters and that as a result I would be leaving my job because I couldn’t be silent about this.
Sid: Okay, then in 1987 you joined an organization that I’ve never heard of and most people have never heard of called the World Constitution and Parliament Association. What in the world is that?
Gary: First of all I was invited to join in the organization, I did send in an application, but I never officially attended any of their meetings and this was really strange. I believe this was something that the Lord orchestrated in retrospect so that if I would have gone to the meetings I was invited to attend they might have recognized that I was not one of them and who know what would have happened then. But the way that it turned out I corresponded with the top leader of the organization for four years. And as a result received a lot of the documentation and every time I was getting ready to go to one of their meetings something happened that I could not go there no matter how hard I tried, and again I believe that was the hand of God. But I collected several hundred pages of documents, including a prototype draft of World Constitution for World Government that they already had available at that time and they’ve been tweaking it ever since. But it’s amazing going back over twenty years that this type thing was already underway back then. And they were also organizing Sid meetings of what they called a Provisional World Parliament which was like a type of mock or a dress rehearsal for a real World Parliament down the road.
Sid: Now, I have an actually a map of the United States that you got off or their web site and they’ve even mapped out the United States for these World Delegates.
Gary: That’s correct, they have and again all this is subject to change but for right now, they’ve divided the forty eight lower states on the main land into forty four world districts. And each one of them is based loosely on a population of 7 million people in each district. So that’s how they’ve divided up the United States for their purposes and they did so based on a clause in the Earth’s Constitution and World Legislative Act Number 29. So you’ve got a group of people out there doing this and there’s nothing in the media about it whatsoever.
Sid: Again, in one sentence what is their agenda?
Gary: Their agenda is all out world government, they say that this is the only way to bring about world peace and world unity. However when you look at who some of the key players are in this organization they all come from a very strong New Age, occultic, mystical viewpoint. And overall the people in this movement the forefront of it is strongly opposed to Bible believing Christians and conservative Jews and so you can see the handwriting on the wall. You know, Hitler wanted to create the Third Reich which was a global government in his day.
Sid: Okay, listen I don’t understand something though, they’ve had many meetings throughout the world, meetings with top religious leaders, top political leaders, top economic leaders, top academic leaders, I don’t see much press going on. How could they be so vocal and yet we don’t hear about them?
Gary: Well, that’s the same question I’ve been asking all along and I ask in my book is how can this be? Clearly there are at least some people in the media who hold enough influence in determining what gets said and what doesn’t to hold this back. Because when you’ve got several hundred pages of documents like this and clearly that I did not make up, it’s on their letterheads with signatures of people on it and everything. You know it can’t be denied; ever people have to say that this organization isn’t something serious, but even if that was the case it would still deserve to be exposed. The fact that they’ve been around for this many years and have done what they have; the fact that Ramsey Clark our former US Attorney General was a Vice President of this organization at the time that I was affiliated with it and the top people from the UN the former officials and what not were part of this. And leaders from the Nobel Prize Committee even, Eagle Arvic of Norway, he was the very first name I believe listed at the top of one of their letterheads. So a lot of prominent people from around the world belong to this so I think we have to take it seriously.
Sid: Now, do you see a tie in between the crumbling of the US economy and the One World Government with organizations such as you’ve just told us about?
Gary: Well, to answer the question, this organization put out a list of forty-nine reasons back in the eighties forty-nine reasons why we need world government. And as you read down that list it’s just about every problem they say is a reason for world government. But about fifteen of them had to do with the environment, and others had to do with economic matters and also many of the others having to do with maintaining or bringing about world peace. So their argument would be that we have to have world government to get us out of these unfolding crises. Now what’s interesting is that when they made these statements our economy was in pretty decent shape. But it’s as if they were expecting this coming global economic crisis and a global crisis involving perhaps military conflict in the Middle East or something along those lines that would terrify people to the point where the people of the world would think wow if we don’t do something the world is going to self distract politically and militarily and also in the economic front, there’s got to be some kind of change. And I believe at that moment of crisis is when people like this will step in and say we’ve got the solution, global government, it’s the only way to go.
Sid: Or right now two of the big giants, China and the former Soviet Union, Russia actually have an alliance and they don’t think too much of our US dollars.
Gary: That’s right.
Sid: Oops were out of time.
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to have such intimacy with God it plain doesn’t matter what happens in the world because if God’s for you who can be against you. And my guest is Dennis Jernigan and Dennis is a God ordained Psalmist. His music, he calls himself God’s receiver rather than a writer in music; he receives his music from heaven. And thousands have been set free, but I believe that because of what he has experienced the anointing of God is so strong on his spoken words and on his music that thousands have reported being set free, being healed, being delivered when they sit under an anointing that destroys every yoke. On yesterday’s broadcast we find Dennis was exposed to circumstances that caused him to believe that he was homosexual; he was a strong Christian but he knew that was a taboo sin and therefore he hid it for many years. He found a mentor in college that helped a little bit but then this mentor turned on him in a homosexual way. And it really wasn’t until 1981 and you went to a concert by the Second Chapter of Acts and in this concert one of the members, as I understand it Dennis Jernigan stopped in the middle of a song with a prophetic word, tell me about that.
Dennis: Yeah, Annie Herring was the big sister, it was two sisters and a brother in this Christian Rock and Roll band and I got there early enough because I couldn’t afford the records and I wanted to get a; I brought my tape recorder because they seem so real to me and they didn’t write songs just for the radio. And sure enough during the song they just stopped and I had never seen anything like this before; she began to prophecy. And you have to understand there is 4500 people there but she was talking to me. And she said that, “There is somebody here tonight and you’ve experienced things you never dreamed you would have to go through and you’ve got things hidden in your heart that you never would want anyone to know; you would be humiliated if they did but God want to tell you right now He sees the things you are hiding and he loves you anyway.” And we are going to sing over you and as we do we want you to do something, we want you to make it like it’s Christmas tonight, we want you to reach into the hidden places of your heart and get honest with God, take those things out and give them to Him like a gift on Christmas morning which sounded like a terrible gift to me but I got what she was saying. She said, “So you give those things to Him, see Jesus take them on the cross and then at the same time at Christmas you also received things, so what do you need from the Lord?” So I just did what she said, I got honest with the Lord and for the first time, see I thought that homosexuality was too vial for Jesus to take on the cross because of what I’d seen Christians portray about that particular sin, but one sin is no different than the next, the all separate us from the Father. So I did that, I gave my sin to Jesus and what I received from Him in return was just an amazing depth of love like wave after wave, after wave that I had absolutely honestly never experienced in my life.
Sid: And by the way, I think that that’s one of the things that people experience when they hear your music today; they call it liquid love. Have you heard that report?
Dennis: Yeah, it often comes back to me like just waves of love rolling over people.
Sid: Okay, was this the first time you experienced that?
Dennis: Yeah, very much so because you have to understand I thought I was less than a man. I thought I was something less than other guys, and I thought I was…and I was so ashamed of who I was that the Lord had to break through that shame with His love and He revealed to me that He bore my shame on the cross. So I had nothing to be ashamed of, it was all taken from me and the fact, the reason I even shared my testimony publically for the first time was because of Psalm 107:1 & 2 was says “Oh give thanks to the Lord which says he is good for His loving kindness is everlasting let the redeemed of the Lord say so.” And what He has told to me, Sid was that “Dennis I have redeemed you, it doesn’t matter what you were redeemed from as long as you were redeemed; and if you don’t say what you’ve been redeemed from how are those that are in the same bondage going to know that there is hope? They are not, so you’ve got to tell not only that you are redeemed and what you were redeemed from.” At least that was His word to me and I thought that my life would be over in that moment but the exact opposite has taken place. The more I confess the Glory of the Lord more people are redeemed and set free in their own lives. So I love to tell what God has done for me, I absolutely love it.
Sid: But you know something that really spoke to me Dennis as I reviewed your story before; this is the first time that I have met Dennis by way of telephone right now in this radio interview. Is that there was a courageous Christian that stepped up at that vulnerable point where you began to believe you were free after living a homosexual lifestyle, but God knew that you needed a real Christians in your life as opposed to the mentor that you had that became a predator. Tell me what this man said to you.
Dennis: Well, he just confronted me one day; he said Dennis I know what you’re struggling with and instead of facing him, I ran out of the house. It was one of those moments where I just ran and ran and ran and all of a sudden I thought, “Where am I running to?” And I said, “Lord if you’re real I need to hear you now; I need you to speak to me.” This is the truth, call me crazy but I looked in to the sky and it was a moonlit night and there were only two clouds. There was one that looked like an old man and one that looked like a little sheep and the big old man cloud, which was a Father to me, a picture of God as Father, He engulfed the little lamb and that gave me the grace to go back and embrace my friend. And here’s what my friend said to me, he said “Dennis, I don’t know all that it’s going to take to get you free but I know the answer and the answer, and the answer‘s Jesus.” And I said, “Well, I have heard that this my whole life.” He said, “Not like this you haven’t, he said, “Jesus is the answer let’s walk towards Him together; I am going to walk with you however long it takes, whatever it takes. If you fall down, I am going to help you up; I am not going to kick you while you are down; if you need someone to yell at, yell at me because we’re going together on this journey.” And he has been faithfully walking with me since 1981.
Sid: Now, what you don’t know, but what I know about Dennis is that Dennis got married in 1983 and how many children do you have Dennis?
Dennis: With laughter he says, “We have nine children!”
Sid: And look how, and as a matter of fact you gave me another insight, because God built you to be so sensitive to His Spirit and sensitive to the needs of other people that before you understood this this gift that God gave you it was translated by other people like weakness like a woman.
Dennis: Exactly, yeah in fact I remember it even being in grade school and I could already play the piano or another way it manifested itself was if somebody cried I would probably cry with them if you were hurting I would hurt with you. It was just a gift of mercy and I didn’t realize that it was a gift of the Lord and the other guys just thought it was very feminine; it was just what girls do. You act like a girl, you respond like a girl and so I carried that long perspective with me until I got to the point where I realized that you know what? My whole life I’m been looking from the wrong point of view; we’re to seek first the Kingdom and we seek first the Kingdom of God by seeking first the King, and if I seek the King and I find Him then I’m going to start seeing life not from my point of view but from the Kings point of view. And that’s why Jesus taught His disciples to pray “Your Kingdom come.” Disciples began to ask Him, Lord would you invade my marriage with Your Kingdom? Would you just invade the way that I view myself from Your point of view, I just want to see what You see in me, I only see hopeless but you see hope. I see vile wickedness but you see holy and righteous by virtue of the blood of Jesus. All of a sudden my life became revolutionized so much so that I took what the enemy had meant for evil and I began to use it for good in my own life and for the Glory of God. And that’s what I see my life is becoming this wonderful paradox of where I thought my life was messed up and unusable the Lord said, “No, just the opposite, Son.”
Sid: Tell me briefly about the song we’re going to play a little bit of. But the anointing is so strong on your music; it’s called “Beautiful” what is that about?
Dennis: Well, the Lord, if we get into His presence and like I said in the earlier interview, I never believe I leave God’s presence, but when I recognize that He’s here and I begin to acknowledge that presence, all I can see is from His point of view. And when I see Him I see righteousness, when I see Him I see the Lion of the Tribe of Judah who cannot be defeated. When I see Him I see power and grace to overcome any difficulties in this life, I even see the grace to just tell the enemy where to go, ha-ha and so that’s song is all wrapped up in the song of intimate worship.
Sid: Listen, I have never seen the reaction at my prayer meeting of anyone’s music as I saw when your music was played. Let’s hear just a tiny bit of “Beautiful”
Dennis Jernigan’s excerpt of “Beautiful.”
Sid: That was Dennis Jernigan’s music and let me tell you something, the word that describes the anointing on his music is freedom, freedom in every area of your life. What music to soak under.
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to understand the mystery that’s been stolen from the church of what the Jewish Patriarchs knew. They understood the power of the blessing and the man that I know that has studied this the most over the years and has emphasized this the most over the years is Pastor Bill Ligon from Brunswick, Georgia. And Bill and I go back a number of years and I was a member of his church for many many years. Bill, refresh my memory, how in the world, you come from a Baptist background, you’re not Jewish; how in the world did you get so interested in the Jewish Blessing?
Bill: Well, I was in transition Sid, I was making a change and starting over, planning a new work, having been in larger churches and on the mission field and I felt like the Lord spoke to me and told me to plant this work on the foundation of the Aaronic Blessing. And at that point I sought out an old friend of mine a conservative Jewish Rabbi whom I had befriended years earlier and I found him in retirement in Columbus, Georgia. When I called him and I told him and gave him my name the old Rabbi began to weep, he said “Bill I have never had a friend like you, where are you? And I told him, I said, “I’m in Brunswick, GA and I’m planting a new church and God has told me to plant it upon the Aaronic blessing.” And I said, “Can I come to see you and study with you?” And he said, “My homes always open to you.”
Sid: Now, just out of curiosity, did the Spirit of God really tell you to plant it on the Aaronic Blessing?
Bill: Oh, yes, most definitely, He said the blessing…
Sid: Well, that’s unusual.
Bill: “He said the blessing had been lost from the church and He had never intended that it would be removed from the church.” You see when the church was founded by the Holy Spirit at Pentecost all three pillars of faith which God used to change the lives of the Children of Israel and make them into a great nation, were present both in Judaism and in the Church. Now the Jews had the Blood Covenant, they had sacrifice everyday in the Temple; they had the moral code and they had the Ten Commandments; and they had the High Priestly blessing the Aaronic blessing. The church was founded with all three, the Church was founded with the Blood Covenant, the blood of Yeshua, Jesus Christ, they had the Ten Commandments. Jesus said, “I didn’t come to destroy but to fulfill and give it its proper meaning.” And they had the High Priestly blessing, Peter said, “For this you are called to give the blessing that you might inherit the blessing,” and so the Lord showed me that the blessing had been lost to the Church.
Sid: Or if you use the blessing it’s kind of the significance is just words and we’ve lost the significance; therefore we can’t believe; therefore we can’t have faith; therefore It’s not going to manifest.
Bill: That’s true because all people say is that “May the Lord Bless You.” But they don’t know what that means and really there is more to it than that, a great deal more because God intends to release His favor upon His people. So God made it clear to me that He wanted to restore that blessing to the Church and to all of His people. God created everyone and so that’s when I studied with this Rabbi. Came back home and went to six seminaries and did my research and then came back and produced the material and began to then speak the blessing in my own congregation over my people.
Sid: You must have gotten so excited in those early years when the revelation first hit you through what the Rabbi was telling you.
Bill: It was, I was excited about it and the Rabbi became excited, he and I worked together on this and we had a great time together in his home studying.
Sid: Well, I just can’t wait, we have so many other things to talk about, but I want to know about the Power of the Aaronic Blessing.
Bill: It’s amazing Sid, that was in 1973 and ever since then we have not only taught the blessings locally, but we have gone to other places, we have done television and radio. We have been in conferences around the country teaching people the principal of blessing. And now other people are beginning to teach those principals, but it’s amazing how God has changed the lives of people through the power of the spoken blessing.
Sid: But tell me specifically what it means the Aaronic Blessing.
Bill: The Aaronic Blessing, and God said, told Moses, he said “When this blessing is spoken and most people know what it is but he said, “You will speak this blessing and every time you assemble my people together have Aaron and his sons speak this blessing, “May the Lord Bless You, now I bless you, but may the Lord bless you and keep you, may the Lord cause His face to shine upon you and be gracious to you; may the Lord let the light of His countenance upon you and give you His peace. And now God made a promise in verse 27, He said, “Thus you shall put or invoke my name on the Sons of Israel and I then will bless them.”
Sid: You know I’ve read that in scripture and I’ve pondered what does that really mean? What does that really mean, Bill?
Bill: Yes, the word invoke or put. Let me give you an illustration of what can happen; a person leaves his house and goes out and gets into his automobile and puts the key in the ignition and turns it with the intension of moving a ton of weight where he wants it to go. Now he can turn it and that will release an electrical charge from his batteries into the combustion chamber and he can start his engine. He can sit there and turn the engine up, push down on the acceleration pedal and turn it up until he’s neighbors all hear him racing his engine, but he goes nowhere and does not accomplish anything. In order to that he has to invoke the power of that engine; that’s the strength of that word in the Hebrew. To invoke the power of the Name of God Himself so in order to that he puts it into gear and when he does he invokes the power of that engine and moves that automobile, a ton of weight with one finger on the steering wheel to where he want it to go. Now that’s exactly what can happen; a lot of people seem to get together and they make a lot of noise, but they can’t seem to get their lives in order. They can’t seem to go the way they’re supposed to go; God’s intention was that His favor would be released through this spoken blessing. And that’s what it does; it engages the Name, the covenant Name and the power of God to release God’s favor upon those who receive the blessing.
Sid: You know I remember years ago you shared a story about a woman that had a mark on her forehead and the power of the blessing with her. Tell me about that again.
Bill: Those people lived on the western side of the state and they came to see us and she had this make on her forehead. It was there because her mother had told her that it was there because she was born under a curse and she wasn’t wanted and she wasn’t accepted. So I taught her husband how to lay hand on her and release blessing upon her life and I taught her how to forgive her mother and those who had rejected her and how to bless them. They went back home and they began to do that. He began to lay hands on his wife everyday and one day he called me all excited. And said, “Pastor Bill,” he said, “As soon as I began to bless my wife that mark on her forehead like a birthmark began to fade,” it was a V which was the first letter in her name and he said, “That it began to fade and now he said that it’s gone completely, it’s never ever done that before, but it’s gone.” And we followed up on him for some time and it didn’t come back. He continued to release God’s spoken blessing over his wife and it produced tremendous results in her life.
Sid: Well, I have to believe that there are so many amazing things that happen when people understand the power of the blessing. I happen to believe that that had to have a major impact on you to see how what God did in the Blessing internally, actually reflected on the outside.
Bill: It was so significant in my life that I thought I need to begin to impart this blessing to my wife and I wanted her to impart it to me. So we agreed and we began to lay hands on each other and speak blessing and success and health and favor over each other. We’ve been doing it now for year; it brought tremendous results. And one of the most significant things it did for me Sid, when we married fifty-three years ago, fifty-three and a half years ago, thank you,
Sid: Congratulations.
Bill: Thank you.
Sid: I mean that’s a rarity these days Bill.
Bill: I was raised in a home with, I had an older brother but he was already gone. I was raised in a home with three older sisters, a mother and a grandmother. All of whom spanked me when they wanted to. Ha-ha. And when I married my precious wife, I loved her dearly.
Sid: She didn’t spank you did she?
Bill: Oh, no when she wanted to talk seriously with me I just withdrew and so one of the things that I could not accomplish was emotional intimacy. Now she said, “We need to get closer.” And I said, “Well come here sweetheart, and let me hold you in my arms and I’ll show you how close we can get.” She said, “No, I want emotional closeness, I want emotional intimacy.”
Sid: And you didn’t really have a clue.
Bill: No, and I could not seem to have that breakthrough. Sid, the root problem with marriages in America is that the average man cannot achieve emotional intimacy with his wife. He can achieve physical closeness, but not emotional intimacy. So when my wife began to lay hands on me every day after a few months I realized that that wall had been melted down and that my wife and I had bonded in emotional way. And so I would not live without it every day.
Sid: Actually as I study your course and have heard your teaching, there was an emotional bonding but it is even deeper. It is almost a spiritual bonding. It’s like the Bible says, you become one.
Bill: We did, we became one and we began to experience God’s blessing and favor. And one of the things that I’ve been able to do for my wife in 1970 when we were missionaries in Barcelona, Spain she was diagnosed with stage four cancer. God supernaturally healed her on Valentine’s Day 1971, but every day when I lay hands on her I say “May the Lord bless every cell and nerve in your body with health and life.” If we could just get husbands and wives in America to begin to study these principals and begin to release God’s favor upon each other the sky is the limit on what they would do.
Sid: I believe that we haven’t even scratched the surface, not just husbands and wives, but entire families. Not just entire families, but entire churches.
Sid: We are coming into an amazing time on planet earth; we’re getting ready for the great Jewish wedding. We’re getting ready for the wrap up and one thing that occurred to me is that we’ve had an emphasize; we have had an emphasis in the body of Messiah on understanding who Jesus is. We’ve had an emphasis in the Body of Messiah an understanding who the Holy Spirit is, but we’re getting ready for an outpouring of revelation of who God the Father is. And in order for you to understand who God the Father is God raises up and individual who they’re life experience allows you to grasp this spiritual truth. And I have such a person on the telephone and her name is A.J. Jones and she has experienced the love of the Father. And she maintains and I maintain that we cannot receive the love God has for us; the security God has for us; the peace that God has for us; the healing that God has for us; the rest that God has for us; the promises that God has for us unless we come to have intimacy. And that’s the right word and I come from a Jewish background which is similar to many people that come from a Catholic background. You see God up there in the sky with a big stick ready to hit you over the head the minute you make a mistake; and you don’t understand the New Covenant revelation that says that God is love. But unless you can experience the love of the Father then it’s like a brick wall on these other promises from God; and A.J. has a revelation of this. A.J. I’m going to take you back to the beginning so to speak, what are the earliest memories you have of your father?
AJ: Well, my father was an alcoholic and he was very angry so my earliest memory, I think I was around three and my parents were fighting and I came down stairs to ask them to stop and I was just standing there yelling, “Stop it, stop it” and my Dad in his anger picked up a chair and threw it and knocked me down a flight of stairs.
Sid: That had to be about as traumatic, here you look to your father as your source of protection so to speak, your covering, so to speak your trust must have gone out the window when he did that.
AJ: Yeah, I mean I don’t know if I ever really saw my Dad like that because he was always so scary to me so…
Sid: Because he was drinking?
AJ: Yeah, and he was angry, I mean he was very angry.
Sid: I don’t quite understand it because fortunately I’ve never been an alcoholic, but I normally see there’s a lot of anger with alcoholics.
AJ: Yeah, well there’s a reason they’re drinking you know, they’re trying to deal with something too that they’re going through and it just comes out with those people that are closest to you doesn’t it.
Sid: Did you hurt yourself when you fell down the stairs?
AJ: You know I don’t particularly remember that experience that well, I remember it hurt but I don’t know if I broke anything with that; with that one.
Sid: Now, what about your mother, would she stand up for you when your father was drunk?
AJ: Yeah, well she would yell, I mean everybody yelled in our house, but she would yell if my older brother was home, he’d try to get in the way; you know it was such a scary environment to even try and survive in. But I mean most of my Dad’s anger was directed towards my mother, but it just that I would get in the way because I just couldn’t handle watching him choke her or do whatever he was doing and so…
Sid: Now, your mother drank also.
AJ: Yeah, she did.
Sid: And this sounds awful, but your mother, who had that maternal instinct to protect her children, tried to protect you with your safe place the closet; tell me about that.
AJ: Well, I would hide in the closet, I had a bunch of like stuffed animals and stuff in the closet and if they were fighting, usually they fought at like you know; midnight or 2:00 in the morning or whatever. And I would go and I would you know go and I would close my door and kind of barricade myself inside the closet and sit with my stuffed animals; and so she tried to make that a safe place for me to hide.
Sid: And you developed and what I find that many people that develop a specific diseases there are physiological reasons that they’ve entered into those diseases; one is asthma. Now obviously with everything going on in your life it’s understandable how the asthma got triggered and this was not just your ordinary asthma, but it was pretty bad in your case.
AJ: Yeah, it was very bad; it was very very bad. It wasn’t sort of average asthma it was severe asthma and so I would often have attacks. Like I would have them several times a week and not just like you would use a puffer and then be fine. I would end up in the hospital; you know I spent time in oxygen tents. By the time I was about eighteen or nineteen I had over four hundred hospital bracelets, so I mean I had a really tough time with it.
Sid: And your parents separated for obvious reasons and as a matter of fact and they were headed towards divorce; so you were staying for safety purposes with your grandparents. But you decided to go back home to your mother as your mother assured you your father was gone but he wasn’t, was he.
AJ: Well, he wasn’t, like they had you know done the whole legal separation and gotten two different houses to live in. But we had to go back to the house that we all lived in together to just make sure that we had everything that we wanted because we were moving to a much smaller house; I think they were having somebody come in and get the rest of the stuff or something. So my mom had said to me, “You never have to see your Dad again,” when she had picked me up from my Grandparents house and I was thrilled because I never wanted to see him again. But then when we walked into the house; the old house my Dad was sitting there in the kitchen and I was pretty shocked to even you know come in the house and find him there because I had been promised I wouldn’t ever have to see him, but he was there.
Sid: How did you react?
AJ: Well, not well. I mean I remember walking in and just sort of freezing and my Dad said to me, “How can you do this to me, I love you.” You know because the whole separation and divorce had kind of gone down because it was my fault because I had finally told somebody you know I was thirteen and I couldn’t take it anymore. And so he said, “How can you do this to me, I love you? And I remember saying, “Well, you have a very strange way of showing it and you need to know that I hate you and I hope you die.” And I just took off, I just ran out of the house.
Sid: When he would send you presents, I mean to me that’s the hatred, the fear that you must have had as a young person reacted, your actions reflected it. But what did you do when your father was trying to make amends and send you presents?
AJ: Ah, well my parents sort of excelled that, if they messed up they would you know buy a gift because we had some money to that. And so that was sort of his way of trying to seek restoration, but again I was so angry and so hurt and so afraid. So he would send gifts and it didn’t matter how badly I wanted it, and he was good at getting gifts. I would smash them to little tiny pieces and mail them back to his address because I just really wanted him to get the message I didn’t want him in my life anymore. And I mean he actually sent me flowers twice and the first time I waited for them to die and then mailed them back. And the second time I didn’t have that level of patience and so I cut them up and I poured Draino over them and mailed them back so. Canada Post was making a lot of money off of my issues.
Sid: Speaking of issues, I mean you were suicidal, anorexic, suffering from severe asthma. You must have had one miserable life as a young child.
AJ: Yeah, I was barely surviving.
Sid: And where was God in this equation, what did you know about God?
AJ: I didn’t really know anything about God, I went to church sometimes with my mom, but I didn’t really get the message that Jesus loved me or anything like that; I just remember going and thinking it was about dressing properly, or acting properly. And it didn’t really feel like life to me and then I had a cousin who was the oldest of eight Baptist kids and she would try and tell me that Jesus loved me and she would try to kind of evangelize me. But I was so angry and confused about what my life looked like and how that could possibly line up with God loving me and I couldn’t really receive it.
Sid: Well, your hatred went beyond your father; you also had a rivalry with your siblings; especially you and your sister used to fight. And you wanted to hurt your sister; it was her Birthday and your way of hurting her was to have something else go on. What was that something else?
AJ: Well, it’s funny cause with my sister, we didn’t usually fight that much, but when we did fight it was pretty full on and so we had this big fight and it was her Birthday and so I wanted to hurt her feelings and so my Baptist cousin that I was telling you about she called and invited me to a youth retreat. And I had no desire to go to a youth retreat, but I did have a desire to get my sister back because I was mad at her and so I agreed to go away on her Birthday.
Sid: I’ll tell you what, hold that thought, we’ll pick up right here on tomorrows broadcast. You know Mishpochah many of you have never really ever experienced the love of Father God and you’re in for a treat. And you know it’s possible to walk in the love of Father God 24-7. And do you know that when you understand how to receive His love, all of the promises of God; all the peace of God; all the rest of God, it’ll be restored to you.