SID: So powers in the visible world are very upset with my guest. She marries. Her husband has epilepsy. He’s insane. There’s no hope. She goes on a 40-day fast. What happened, Glenda?
GLENDA: Well he had 27 grand mal seizures, lost his mind. That night they put him in the hospital. They had him tied in bed and he was incontinent, couldn’t keep clothes on him, and he was, looked like a wild man. And the doctors wanted to commit him, and I said, “I’m going to go home and pray, and I’ll be back tomorrow.” Well when I went home, I was just, I could smell the sawdust of my dad’s tent revivals. And I said, if my dad was here, he would know what to do. And I began to call churches in town to see if they could cast the devil out of my husband, and they said, commit him, every one of them. But I’m glad they did say that or I wouldn’t have the faith I’ve got today. God will put you in a situation where you have to use your faith. And so I went, Jesus said, “Go back, check him out, tell him that you got a new doctor and you’re going to commit him to me.” So that’s it, and I said, “Well I have no car.” Like he didn’t know. He said, “I already got a ride coming to get you at 10 in the morning.” Ten o’clock, a car showed up. A woman showed up saying, “God told me to come pick you up.” And we went to the hospital and I went in, and they had the papers, and they pushed them to me, the doctors did, and said, “Are you ready to commit him?” And I said, “Yes.” And they said, “Good.” I said, “But not to you. I found a new doctor.” And they said, “Who is this doctor that you found?” And I said, “Jesus Christ of Nazareth.” And they started cussing, and they said, “We’re going to go over your head and we’re going to get power of attorney, and we’re going to commit him.” And said, “Go right ahead ’cause he’s my attorney, too.” And they were so mad. And he said, “Get him and get out of here, and don’t ever come back.” And so I did and he told me, “He’s going to kill you and your children. You don’t realize how bad he is.” So I took him home, was fasting. And I’ll never forget, on the last night of the fast, an angel came in, the biggest angel I’ve ever seen in my life, and he said, “You’ve been given the authority to use the name of Jesus. Everybody doesn’t have that authority.” And I said, “What?” And he said, “Only believers do. Everybody is not a believer that says they are. And these signs shall follow them that believe.” And he handed me a sword. So I went there and laid it on my husband and the angel disappeared.
SID: You’re telling me the angel gave you a sword and you put this sword on your husband?
SID: Okay. What happened?
GLENDA: He told me that sword was the sword of the Spirit, the word of Almighty God. And as soon as I did, those things started coming out of him, all kinds of creature looking things, and they would name themselves. Like one came out and said, “I’m insanity.” And they would just go out naming themselves. And the last one that came out, it just looked terrible, well they all were just creatures. And my husband sat up and he was just like he came from the dead. He didn’t know what had happened. And he said, “I’m hungry.” And I thought, everybody Jesus touches that’s dead, or this or that, they’re always hungry when they come back.
SID: You know, that is normal, normal as defined by the Bible. But she had an encounter where she went to Hell. And you were telling me, what was the smell like?
GLENDA: Oh it was flesh rotting. It was the worst smell, I couldn’t take it, that I ever smelled in my life. And there was lava coming down like out of a volcano, and it was burning people, because they’re not in the fire yet, but they were in that. And then it would erupt and I’d ask the angel, “What is that?” And he said, “That’s Hell enlarging herself.” Every time the volcano goes off, Hell enlarges herself. And that’s what happened with the tsunami. I prophesied that tsunami was going to happen in Japan. And remember there was a big volcano exploded and Jesus said that’s, it did that, Hell enlarged herself to take all the people in.
SID: Is there eternal suffering in Hell?
SID: What did you see?
GLENDA: I seen them, I even seen demons biting the people, biting, and they would scream bloody screams.
SID: All right. I tell you what, I wish we had time to go into that, but I want to hear, I have to tell you the truth, I want to hear about Heaven. She went to Heaven. We’ll be right back.
Sid: We want everyone going to the greatest Jewish wedding in history it’s called the Wedding Supper of the Lamb. But you will not understand the Wedding Supper of the Lamb or even what Jesus is referring to if you look at it through Gentile eyes. You must look at it through Jewish eyes. And the church has been denuded of its Hebraic Heritage, therefore if you have the wrong culture and the right words you come up with the wrong conclusion. But if you understand the culture that the words are referring to you’ll come up with the right conclusion. That’s why my guest Rebecca Park Totilo I’m speaking to her by telephone at her hotel room in Wichita, Kansas wrote a book called “His Majesty Requests an Invitation to the Royal Wedding of the Lamb.” And what she does is she traces the culture that’s been denuded and robed that Jesus lived in and that He was talking about. And if you understand the ancient Hebrew wedding customs you’ll capture the picture of the greatest wedding that the world has ever seen. When I think of a Jewish wedding Rebecca one of the joyest things; I mean it’s such a exciting celebration is we take the bride and we take the groom and we lift them up in chairs and praise God I don’t do that but some of the younger men do that. And oh I had just been recently at a wedding in Brazil and they lifted this fellow up and the bride up and they were holding…and I felt so sorry for the people lifting the chairs up with them. And I felt maybe (Laughing) it might be a little dangerous but tell me the significance of that?
Rebecca: Well this has been going on since Biblical times you know their wedding is esteemed as the building of joy with great festivities and celebration. And boy they really know how to throw a party let me tell you. (Laughing) with the joyful music and dancing and they lift them up in chairs because the bride and groom are regarded as king and queen and of course they’re dressed up beautifully and they wear crowns upon their heads. And are seated on these thrones and so this is a beautiful picture of what we have to look forward to one day because the day that we marry Yeshua we are going to be also lifted up with Him as His queen and He’ll be crowned King of kings. And He says that He has a crown in store for us waiting for us. And of course you know too the scripture shows us that when He was crucified they put a crown of thorns upon His head. And it’s interesting because in Biblical times the groom used to wear a floral crown upon his head.
Rebecca: Now this is the custom of course that they had to disregard because they’re not allowed to wear a crown upon their head until the temple is rebuilt. And so when know that when Yeshua returns that we will have a crown upon our heads and that we will rule and reign with Him for the millennium. And it’s a joyous time that we have.
Sid: Speaking of a joyous time another joyous part of a wedding I just was at a Jewish wedding so it’s all fresh in my mind. Is where they take a wine cup and the groom smashes it and everyone yells a Jewish blessing “Mazel Tov” and music goes and everyone starts dancing. Tell me about the breaking of the glass well what does that mean?
Rebecca: Actually there’s a lot of meanings to it but you know through the years things have been passed down but the one that sticks the most is they believe in the midst of joy there’s a remembrance of sorrow when the walls and stones, the physical walls fell down at the temple. And so they believe that there’s always the remembrance of Jerusalem in the midst of every joyous occasion. And for believers in the Messiah we remember what Jesus said that “Destroy this temple and in three days He would raise it up.” And so the body of Christ that was broken for us you know we look at how they shouted Mazel Tov. Now you know the people of that time were shouting crucify him and crucify him. And they were celebrating of his death and so even in our own occasion of looking back on this we have that remembrance of the sorrow of the pain of His death on the cross but yet we have to look forward to that wonderful time and that marriage that we’re going to have with Him and celebrate.
Sid: All right there’s another word that very few Christians have even heard that has relevance it’s called ketubah.” And I have to tell you this ketubah this agreement the wedding between the bride and the groom the one I saw was so beautiful and just so inscribed in such beautiful artwork. What is a ketubah and tell me the significance.
Rebecca: Well in an traditional betrothal they would enter into the agreement of the covenant of the marriage with the signing of the ketubah. And this was the marriage contract sort of like today’s prenuptial agreement if you will (Laughing). The terms that they would agree to such as the bride price and the provisions the bridegroom was agreeing to make for her including the food and clothing. And it also would name the wife as heir the estate should he die. It also sometimes would mention the bride’s dowry of what she was also going to be bringing into the relationship. And so this is a very rich document that brides will hang on their walls and you know proudly display. So it’s a beautiful thing it’s a very cherished item. And for believers in the Messiah though it’s our promise of the word of God. You see our covenant is the Old and the New Testament and these are the documents that we’ve been given and it shows all of the promises that it tells us that we have as His bride. And so that’s the reason why the Lord even mentioned the food and clothing do you remember He was saying “Why do we worry about these things?” You see we don’t have to because we have a ketubah that spells it all out for us so that we can trust Him because he’s our heavenly bridegroom. And you know also in the wedding in the Jewish weddings they actually read this aloud for everyone to hear because they want everyone to know about their devotion that they have toward one another. And of course this custom is coming from Moses who stood before the people of God and read aloud the Torah and was telling them the promises the Lord had made to them. And then it says that the people responded. “We will do what the Lord has said, we will obey.” And in essence they were saying “I do to the Lord” (Laughing.)
Sid: You know I’m reminded just as we’re wrapping up this week something we talked about earlier in the week. You had prophetic dreams of tremendous destruction that’s going to occur to America. But you said that there’s a supernatural protection available and you said that it was only for those that were really have intimacy with God on fire for the Lord and have a love for Israel those would be protected supernaturally. What advice do you give us to have this deep intimacy with the Lord?
Rebecca: Well it can really be a simple prayer of just a hunger and a thirst for the truth. And that’s all it really has to be is a seeking know Him because we can no longer rely on other people or the teaching of men.
Sid: We can’t rely on our pastor when it comes to a crisis.
Rebecca: No, you know the time is coming where you may not be able to go all gather together to worship. And so we really need to know the Lord intimately and on our own and have that one on one relationship with Him. Because when the times are evil and it’s getting worse every day that we don’t know that our freedoms you know can be stripped away from us and that we would have these things taken from us that we would not be able to come together and learn from one another. And so we need to really seek to know him. And I know that there’s a divine protection for every believer who really enters in to know Him. Because He warned us of course in Revelation to come out of her that to come out of Babylon we need to come out of the world and out of the system. And to know Him and that’s the reason because He’s warned us. It’s just like in the book of Judges Chapter 3 that when the Israelites turned away from God they refused to go into the chuppah to the bridal chamber with Moses. They were afraid to and they fell into idolatry and they got back into the world system.
Sid: Why is the bride dressed in white?
Rebecca: Well, that is something that’s so beautiful because it’s symbolic of the purity that we can have in Him. In fact he told the Israelites to wash their clothes and to sanctify themselves and then on the third day He would appear before them all the people. And so that’s what He’s telling us we have to set apart and that we are His people and that we need to be clean and ready for Him. Our lives need to be pure, we need to get out of sin and get out of this world system. In fact even in Orthodox weddings today you’ll see the groom will even wear a white garment it’s called a kittel. And this was actually symbolic of almost like a Cohen priest going into the Holy of Holies. And so just as the priest has to prepare himself and put on the garments we too have to wear the garments that the Lord has provided for us. And that we put off the old man and we put on the new and prepare ourselves to go into that place to be within His presence. And so just like the wedding day is a like a Yom Kippur they believe that their sins are forgiven and their washed clean. And we too can now also have that and when we enter into His presence we become more and more like Him every day.
Sid: Glenda Jackson was sharing that in 1979 she went to hell, she saw famous preachers there. Could you tell me one famous preacher you saw there?
Glenda: Well I’d rather not.
Sid: Okay, alright I’ll pass on that, but it’s hard to believe but she did. Okay on 2008 you had a visit to heaven; very different tell me about it.
Glenda: Okay, I was ministering in a big church and I went out, I feel out in the Spirit like a trance and 2 angels took me to the throne of heaven. And I fell at the throne; I knew the Father was sitting over and that Jesus was at His right hand and I couldn’t even look up. Let me tell you in heaven I call it the wallpaper of heaven is nothing but the word. And it’s moving constantly the word going through heaven. I saw all of these golden shields being brought in by angels and laying around the throne. I was weeping and weeping and the angel touched me and Jesus told me said “All of these shields are being brought back they’re shields of faith and my people are laying them down, they’re going to everything else to get their help. They’re going to the world to get their help, ministers are going to the internet to get their sermons, and people are not using faith anymore. So I looked way in the distance and I could see the devil a far off and Jesus started explaining and teaching faith to me. He began to show me without faith it’s impossible to please God and of course we know that. And then there was something Hebrews 11 chapter the faith chapter that says “Now faith is and is the substance.” And He told me “Do you know what the substance is?” And I said “No, that everybody hopes for.” He said it’s Me, I am the substance!” And then He showed me that when you have Him the substance your faith is going to work right and you’re going to seek Him for everything you need. And He showed me the word NOW you turn it around and it spells WON! He’s already won the victory for us all we got to do is believe it for the faith that was once delivered to the Church. And He told me that all… go tell My people that the devil’s not after anything they have but their faith. And when they get that faith then he can destroy them. Remember what I told Simon he said “I told Simon, Simon Satan has desired to sift the as wheat, but I have prayed that faith fail the not. I never prayed for Simon for the devil to leave him alone, I never prayed for the devil to get out of the way. I prayed for his faith not to fail” and He said “See where I’m sitting as the intercessor, go tell my people I’m not praying for anybody to get healed,” and I started weeping and I said “I thought that was what You were all about.” He said “I Am but I already did the work it’s up to you on earth now, I’m praying for your faith you have anointed faith and you have faith that is impossible to fail if you accept the faith I’m praying over.” He said “I’m not praying for anyone to get saved I’ve already done the work you go tell my people that.” And then… oh I have to stop here (Praying in the Spirit) “Oh I say unto thee My people know that you must have this faith that I once brought to you; I say unto thee seek My face for there is much trouble coming upon this earth. There are many disasters, but if you’ll follow Me and have My faith saith the Lord ye shall win and ye shall be victorious over every evil plot that the enemy has against you. Know this that in this country they’re going to try to change many laws saith the Lord but I am going to raise My people up to obey My word. Things that happened under Daniel are going to happen in this land saith the Lord, they’re going to want you to bow to their gods, but I say unto thee through signs and wonders you shall win many people, many lost shall come to me you must do My signs and wonders saith God. They are for you and for the church. Did not I say I ascended upon high so that I could deliver gifts unto men? I saith unto thee you shall do greater works, yea shall raise the dead by multitudes. That is not hard to believe if you walk in the supernatural. This faith will give you the supernatural walk sayeth the Lord. It is a powerful walk it’s the walk I walked in saith the Lord. It’s the walk My apostles walked in and now I’m going to grant you the permission to walk in this supernatural power. And I say unto thee Sid my son you’re going to walk in greater supernatural I’m going to cause supernatural things to happen on your programs such as never before. Even the dead are going to raised on your program saith God and many shall fall on their knees and faces and accept Me. Not only in your audience but in their homes, I say unto thee cancers going to be healed greater, and the things that cancer caused for people to lose and the diabetes you’re going to overcome diabetes among the people sayeth the Lord. You’re going to speak a word in due season and all of the diabetics are going to be healed. And the ones that have lost legs and arms and stuff their going to have supernatural growth back sayeth the Lord. And I say only believe fear not for I am with thee saith the Lord.”
Sid: Well praise God. I have to ask you something we’re making available your great aunt’s book Marie Woodwork Etters, I mean it’s 574 pages jammed packed with her revelation and teaching. This was a woman that I really have never even heard of anyone that’s had a ministry like hers before or after, but she said that people did before we just lost it. What’s going to happen when someone reads this book Glenda?
Glenda: That anointing is going to come on them. The anointing is going to come upon them and their just going to step forward and God’s going to start using them and these are going to stop happening. He’s going to send ministers into other nations and it’s going to happen, all they have to do is believe it, speak the word. He didn’t love her anymore than He loves anybody. He loves all of the same and He is warning people, He is calling them into supernatural signs and wonders and we’ve got to answer the call.
Sid: And how important is your 3 CD set “Knowing the Voice of God?” I mean the revelations that you bring forth in those 3 CD’s will this make a difference in people knowing God’s voice?
Glenda: Oh yes, you’ve got to hear God’s voice, you’ve got to know. Jesus said “I don’t do anything only what the Father shows Me to do.” And He spoke to His Son and He was in the flesh, God in the flesh, and if He had to hear His Father’s voice we do to. And these CD’s I guarantee will teach you how to hear God’s voice.
Sid: And I’m so amazed at the prophetic word that you were teaching on end time events and the prophetic word came forth, I mean you have seen the rapture as a young child you saw the rapture.
Sid: Sid Roth back with Apostle Guillermo, tell me about when you teach this course…let’s get specific tell me about the blind woman that was healed.
Guillermo: You know Sid I got so many cases but this is one of the cases where I was teaching on transformation of the heart and specifically I was talking about unforgiveness and offenses. The moment she heard the message and she forgave she made a decision to forgive because it said unforgiveness is a decision you can’t keep it in your heart because it’s a poison. And the moment she forgave she completely healed in other words she was healed of blindness. But I can tell you many cases besides that the moment the people forgave. I’ve seen I saw a woman that came into… I was ministering at the end of the service I was preaching on it and I was preaching and me and the people and this person made a decision she got arthritis her finger was twisted, her hands and fingers and the moment she heard the teaching she made a decision I’m going to forgive that precise moment she was completely healed. And I could tell you 100’s of cases in many areas blindness, deafness, and many areas when the heart changed everything outside changes.
Sid: Let me ask you something about forgiveness someone said to me recently “Forgiveness is a process.” Would you agree or disagree with that?
Guillermo: A process?
Guillermo: I don’t think it’s a process I think it’s a decision they can be healed the moment that people decided to make a decision to a…
Sid: But what about the feelings? In other words you make a decision to forgive someone but your feelings you’re still upset over them.
Guillermo: No because if you still remember and hurt you; this is what I tell the people and teach in my book. I say “If you still remember what they did to you and you hurt you have not forgiven. And does it take time to do that? No, because if it takes time this is what psychologists and psychiatrists teach “Well every hurt is going to go off with a time.” And time doesn’t heal hurts. The presence, the word, the blood, the power heals the hurts of the wounded heart. So it won’t take long, the moment we make a decision to forgive with all of the heart God that is the moment we become completely healed and delivered.
Sid: You know Guillermo every chapter of your brand new book “Supernatural Transformation” and the 2 CD’s on the broken heart surrendered to God it’s revelation, it’s life changing, but let’s just, and it’s difficult, but let’s just talk about a surrendered heart. What do you mean by the word surrendered?
Guillermo: Okay, you know Sid the Lord never asked us as Christians to do something easy He hasn’t done it. And the surrender God hasn’t asked us anything that He’s not willing to do Himself and that’s the reason He surrendered Himself. And that’s why when we surrender our heart it reminds God of His Son’s sacrifice. What I’m saying surrender is this I’m going to explain the definition of surrender. Surrendered heart is the heart that yields it’s right to God. Surrendered heart is a heart that activates the law of exchange. What do you mean the law of exchange? This is what John the Baptist says “It’s necessary for me to lessen, and Jesus can grow.” I’m paraphrasing. so in surrender is the law of exchange. My question to you the listeners is “What do you need of yourself that you need to surrender to God in order for God to fill you with Him.” So surrender so when we’re talking about surrender it’s a sign of the spiritual maturity. A surrendered heart freely obeys and yields to God. Surrender when we’re talking about surrender is giving of ourself, it’s giving and yielding to God. Accepting God or what God has for us, and somebody is saying “Yeah, but what about I can’t surrender?” Well that’s the reason because surrender you must release the control of your life. And if you want to take control of your life you can’t solve the problems that you facing you need to release it to God, let God be God. And the moment you yield… the word surrender means to yield to. What are you yielding, you’re yielding your insecurities, you’re yielding your fears, your yielding those things that are pressing you. You’re yielding your finances, you’re yielding your things that are yours. And the moment your yielding to God God will give you His strength. If you yield your fears God will give you His power, if you yield your unforgiveness to Him He will give you His forgiveness. So it’s important to surrender and this word is not popular today Sid when we’re talking about surrendered, dying to self those words aren’t because we want this generation, the spirit of the age, is this is what they teach and this is spirit of the age even in the church instant gratification. I don’t have to do anything to get anything from God. And I understand everything we receive is by grace, but there’s somethings that God will not be able to do until we surrender to Him and then He will be the Lord to walk on it.
Sid: Give me an example like in your book you give so many examples what about Frederick whose father was a Pastor and he was abused by his father.
Guillermo: You know I have those cases many times and this was one of the cases that he was so bitter that he said “I can’t understand how my father being a Pastor do this an do that.” And I was teaching on it and I also teach in the book “You must surrender that bitterness and unforgiveness and forgive your father otherwise you’re stopping the blessing that’s upon your father coming upon you.” So he made a decision and he surrendered to God and the many people that are listening to me and they’re saying “How do you surrender?” When you do it just do this kind of prayer “Father I surrender my unforgiveness to you, I surrender my bitterness to you, I surrender things in my heart that are poisoning me and they stole my peace and I give it to you; and now I receive by the law of exchange what you have for me.” And that moment when this man released that unforgiveness God filled him with His Spirit touched his heart now he’s on fire for God.
Sid: Guillermo I have to tell you something there it started just a few minutes ago there is a river in this studio it’s just pouring out. Is there a prayer, what do you want to do I mean God’s doing this for a purpose right now?
Guillermo: Yes, you know Sid there’s so many people struggling let me talk to those people that are working over there and they’re saying there’s so many areas where I don’t see a breakthrough in my heart. Remember what I said from the beginning the condition of your heart will determine the condition of your life. There’s some things in your life that you’re struggling that you’re fighting that you don’t know what to do I’m going to lead you into a prayer of surrender or yielding to God those things that you yielding the natural to receive the supernatural, surrendering your anger, your bitterness to receive forgiveness and peace. And after I do that I’m going to release the prayer of healing in the mind, in the spirit, and all over your being because when your heart changes it will change everything. Father in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ those people right now that are struggling those areas of their life that they’re saying “I don’t know I can’t change but the Holy Spirit is in your house or wherever you are now” and I want you to open your mouth and say “God I surrender my anger, I surrender my unforgiveness, I surrender my fear, I want you to open your mouth and surrender areas that you can not change in your own ability do it right now. Wherever your listening to me right now if you’re driving, if you’re doing anything I want you to start surrendering things to God. I surrender the natural to receive the supernatural. And now do it right now. Father in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and right now a wave of miracle sin their bodies coming; those people that they’re sickness are connected to the condition of the heart I command all of those bodies to be healed; blindness is being healed, deafness is being healed, arthritis is being healed, back condition people with back condition are being healed right now; I can see a man God is restoring 2 brand new knees as a matter of fact this creative miracle God is healing a man that is 39 years old God is creating brand new knees right now in Jesus. If you had a problem in your knees metals in your body God is doing something special in your back. There’s a pain in your body because you forgave you surrendered to God Father heal him. And Father those that are oppressed in their mind taking pills to sleep I rebuke every spirit of oppression in their mind. And right now in Jesus Name I declare total deliverance in your soul, in your mind, your body your spirit your emotion release that unforgiveness, release that bitterness. And right now I declare total healing receive it now in Jesus name. Now you’re healed to what you couldn’t do before and your mind is clear now. Something left you because you forgave and you released the power of God. Father in Jesus Name be healed, be delivered in Jesus Name! Amen.
Sid: Guillermo pray right now for a baptism of love.
Guillermo: Yes, many people are struggling right now they’re saying “I can’t forgive, I can’t forgive.” Yes because to forgive you have to be full of love and love is the motivation to forgive. And right now Father in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ Lord Jesus I release that liquid love upon the listeners. Every man as a matter of fact theres a woman that is listening to me and that woman you wanted to commit suicide and you’re a rich Jewish woman. And something in you ready to commit suicide and you felt that liquid love falling on you right now in the Name of the Lord Jesus Christ young people are listening to me now and liquid love you feel something is filling your home, filling your office and those listeners right now the Baptism of love. Jesus release the baptism of love, fill them to forgive, to surrender to die to self and to commit completely into your cause into Your kingdom right now Lord baptize them, submerge them in the baptism of love. There you go, there you go receive it right now there you go lift your hands where ever you are now that baptism of love. You feel like a liquid love filling, if you feel to cry if you feel to do something do it don’t hold yourself down just release yourself and be filled with the love of Jesus Christ. Be baptized right now in Jesus Name.
Sid: Guillermo I want to make available your book this is not just your latest book although it is your brand new book called “Supernatural Transformation – Change Your Heart Into God’s Heart.” Every chapter is flooded with revelation and there are people they call themselves prepers that are preparing for hard times and I believe that if God shows you you should prepare because most people know hard times are coming but I don’t know a better way to be a preper then to get rid of your hardened heart. To surrender totally to God if not now, when? …Guillermo tell me what people are saying when they get a hold of your brand new book, or when you gave these two messages at your church that we have the CD’s of “A Broken Heart.” What feedback are you getting?
Guillermo: I was say the feedback is so overwhelming people are saying “When I read the first chapter of the book I started weeping and something started changing in me.” Other people said “I read the whole book but there was a chapter that impacted me in such a way that the presence of God fell into my room.” And I can tell you I got documented those testimonies that I’m telling you of people that were touched and then you tell me afterwards “Oh, they were totally changed.” I see many people that their finances were totally stagnated and something wrong with finances the moment they connect the heart with the condition of their life and they repented they changed and the presence came and the condition of the life their finances were totally restored businesses and I’m hearing a lot of areas because the heart touches every area of your life it’s not only healing but also finances and many marriages are being restored as a result of hearing the book and listening the book.
Sid: My guest by way of telephone I’m speaking to him at his home right outside of Los Angeles, California, Hal Lindsey. And we were talking about the times that we’re living in and Daniel says that in the last days that there would be codes that would be deciphered right in the Bible. And you know Hal there is no way people could understand what these prophets were talking about. For instance, the revived Roman Empire, the One World Government, there’s no way people could understand about that. In Daniel explain about the revived Roman Empire.
Hal: Yes, in Daniel it talks about… actually it gives the pageantry of 4 great Gentile world powers that would succeed each other, one right after the other one would destroy the other. And of course the last one was Rome, but this 4th World Empire Rome is the carefully predicted as never being destroyed actually but simply disintegrating and then reviving in the times just before the return of Christ. And it says that it would be composed of 10 nations out of that old culture and people that would rise up and become a revived Roman Empire. Well of course, in the book of Revelation indicates that Rome will once again be the Capitol. Well I started talking about this back in the 60’s and then when I wrote the “Late Great Planet Earth” in 1969. I said that Europe would become the United States of Europe again and the base of this new Roman Empire. And a Cardinal from the Vatican pronounced me a false prophet for saying such things. But I don’t think that anyone would dispute that Rome and the European western European culture has revived into the United States of Europe. I believe that the foundation for power that will lead the west is laid there. So that means the United States which has been the supreme power of the west since World War II, somehow is going have to fade from power. Well I think that maybe these new assaults of terrorist maybe the cause.
Sid: You know when the European Union started and their even dollars their Euro dollar it was worth less than the US dollar. Now it’s worth more than the US dollar, it’s amazing.
Hal: Rapidly changing all of that and you know all that it’s going to take is another major strike from like Al-Qaida to push us over the line economically the rest of our power goes with it.
Sid: Well, you know I was in Israel recently and I’m not one of these people that hears audible voice, I wish I was, but I heard God’s audible voice three times in my life and I heard His voice just recently in Israel. And it was something I wasn’t expecting at all and He said “Economic judgment.” And I felt like what He was saying was this is the next thing that was going to happen in the United States of America so I find it interesting that that’s what is coming out of your mouth right now.
Hal: Well this is what I’ve seen for sometimes that economically we’re going to be hit and you know all it’ll take is another real major strike. And I believe that there will be one and that’s going to push it over the line because you know what happened September 11, 2001 is still sending shock waves through our economy.
Sid: And you know that last month some college student was able to put box cutters on an airplane without being detected. I mean if he’s figured out how to do it how about these top intelligence agencies.
Hal: Oh man. You know I don’t believe that we’ve by any means stop the threat of terrorism but you know there’s so many ways the world economy could be hit by these devoted Muslims. The Moroccan Straights which flows underneath Singapore is another place probably the hottest seed bed of terrorists in the world right now is in that area around Indonesia and Malaysia.
Sid: Now at one time I don’t know how it is today but at one time they had some very very wealthy people in that part of the world.
Hal: Oh yes still do and the problem is this terrorist could take a merchant ship load it with nuclear waste blow it up in the Moroccan Straights and make it impassable. Well a third of the world’s commerce goes through that straight and that would disrupt the world’s economy.
Sid: My goodness that sounds like the book of Revelation to me!
Hal: It certainly does. And Osama bin Laden has made the cryptic prophecy that he will die in the belly of the eagle sometime in this year or the next. And that’s not hard to figure out that they call the United States the eagle. And he has what has been described as the Al-Qaida navy 17 merchant ships and it would be very easy for Al-Qaida to sail one of these ships into the harbor or some place like Seattle, New York or San Francisco and blow it up. Have one of the containers filled with nuclear material blow it up there and it would kill literally hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people. And this could push us over the line economically but those sort of things certainly are a possibility of the near future.
Sid: I want to go back to the revived Roman Empire; you made the statement that you thought the Anti-Christ would come out of that arena.
Hal: Yes and the reason is because he definitely comes to Rome and then he uses that as the seat of power and it would be virtually inconceivable that anyone other than a European would be received by the Europeans as their leader. So a…but Daniel Chapter 9 actually seals that issue for me because Daniel says that “The people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the temple.” Now that was a prophesy that was talking about the destruction of Jerusalem which happened in 70 AD with the temple. And it says “It would be done by the people of the prince who shall come.” Well the prince who shall come is the Anti-Christ so if he is…if it was his people that destroyed the city and the temple in 70 AD they were Romans so that means the prince who shall come, the Anti-Christ will be a Roman.
Sid: Now I’ve heard some people say that he would have to be Jewish to be accepted by Israel, what do you think about that?
Hal: Well, I think certainly the second anti-Christ will be Jewish the one called the false prophet but there is a possibility that the prince of Rome would also be Jewish. And it’s interesting that there is a Cardinal right now that is one of the top contenders to be the next Pope.
Sid: Now there’s a number of prophecies written hundreds of hundreds of years ago that kind of prophesied this next Pope would be a very serious player in the end times.
Hal: Yes, and these are rather unusual kinds of prophesies.
Sid: Now is that Cardinal that you’re thinking of is he Jewish?
Hal: Yes, he is. He is a Cardinal who was actually his parents were sent to concentration camp and they were killed and some French a French family hid him and adopted him. And so he was raised Catholic but he is of Jewish parents. And I’m trying to think I think it’s Huntsinger but he is Jewish and he is a Cardinal and he is one of the top Cardinals in contingent for the next Pope.
Sid: Hm. Let me ask a question, what do you see as the next event that’s going to happen in Israel.
Hal: Well, it’s difficult to say but I think something very dramatic has to happen soon in order to give them a much greater economic base. I am watching very carefully a group called “Zion Oil” because I have seen some of the geological findings that they have made and the people who are drilling really understand some prophesies about the last days and I believe that they may hit oil in Israel.
Sid: I don’t know about the specific company that’s going to do it but I absolutely believe that they’re going to hit oil because Israel at some point has got to have a reason to be invaded.
Sid: Beyond just the Islamic reason.
Hal: Right and Ezekiel 38 says that “They would have great wealth.” Well, about the only thing that would give them get wealth right now that they would hit an enormous reservoir of oil and that’s possible.
Sid: But you know of all of the brain drain so to speak from Russia all of these top Russians scientist and computer whizzes that have gone to Israel. I believe and it’s already starting. That Israel also will be the high tech capitol of the world too.
Hal: Oh, I think that they already started that. Once…if they hit oil it’ll change the whole balance of power in the Middle East and this will give them the kind of assets that would be necessary to truly develop the tremendous brain power they have there.
Sid: Now back in 1991 you actually predicted that “Islam would be the most dangerous system to world peace” how did you know that in ’91 it’s easy to see today?
Hal: You know it’s another one of those things where…
Sid: Oh, I’, sorry we’re out of time we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow broadcast Mishpochah.