Sid: Now I can tell you my guest Gene Mullenax I’m speaking to him by way of telephone in North Little Rock, Arkansas is red hot for the Messiah. Why? Because he had a creative miracle. I love creative miracles because I believe they are contagious. As a matter of fact he then prayed other people and they had creative miracles. Back in the 1950’s he had a cist that grew on his lung and it was hemorrhaging, so he went in for some exploratory surgery, they did not know what was wrong and when he woke up they had removed his right lung and 3 of his ribs. He pretty much couldn’t work full-time the rest of his life, and he had a wife and a couple of small children, he was a mess. One day he was driving home and he saw a tent. Now he wasn’t a religious man but it was some sort of Christian meeting, he was curious, but then heard rumors that it was all fake. It was a man by the name of A.A. Allen who had a big revival meeting in Arkansas at the time. So the last night of the campaign he got enough nerve and… even though he thought it was phony something, it was a compulsion it was pulling him, he couldn’t even get his friends to even go there, but he got in line and he’s standing in line this last night, and he had seen people healed but there were things that were on the inside of people. So he didn’t think it was really true, but something was driving him and he got in that line. So you’re getting closer to this A.A. Allen and what’s going on in your mind at that time Gene?
Gene: Well my mind as going crazy because I could not believe that there was anything happening. I finally was able to get a prayer card in the 2:30 meeting and you have to go back that night. So I went home and I got the prayer card, and I went home and I told my family that I was going to that meeting and I was going to be healed, and they showed up, they came. The phony friend that I had…
Sid: Wait a second Gene! How could you have said “You were going to be healed?” You thought the whole deal was phony!
Gene: Well that’s the only way I figured I could get them there was to tell them…
Sid: But why would you want to get your family there?
Gene: I don’t know I was just wanted them… I wanted to be healed so bad because I knew that I couldn’t and I had a family to take care of. First time in my life I had somebody to love me, I left home when I was 12 years old and I had the most beautiful woman in the whole wide world. Had a beautiful young family and there I was staring death in the face.
Sid: Okay you’re standing in line now your family is watching this whole, as you called it “Circus.” What happened next?
Gene: Well I was standing in line and of course I was so weak that night I was so weak they had an usher that had a chair that sat… they had assigned to me an usher and he had a chair. When I got tired I sat down in that chair. I was sitting in that chair and I looked up in front of me was a man that must of weighed 400 pounds. He had a little baby in front of him and every once in a while he’d put that little baby over his shoulder and I looked up and I saw that baby had a huge growth in his mouth. This baby must have been about 2 years old or less. The thought came to me “That baby might be healed. If that baby could be healed I know the rest of this they couldn’t fool the kid.”
Sid: Now describe to me what you saw in that baby’s mouth.
Gene: A huge growth and a big old purple veins down his throat, on the outside… of course the baby was eaten up with cancer, but I didn’t even know what that was. I heard the word but I didn’t know anything about cancer. This little baby had a huge growth and he was sucking on that big old growth like it was a pacifier…
Sid: Now this was back in the 1950’s and the baby… can you picture this Mishpochah, I mean he’s standing in line waiting for this evangelist A.A. Allen to lay hands on him, not sure about what’s going on. Just kind of something’s driving him and sees this little 2 year old baby with a growth and the growth is so big. The growth is being used by the baby like a pacifier. Okay go ahead Gene.
Gene: Okay, and I kept wrestling with that because there was about 500 people in line and I was about 250 down so I had a lot of time to think and to see and watch this baby. All this thought came to me that “If this child is prayed for and not healed, I’m going to grab that microphone and I’m going to tell the entire audience that he’s a fake, that he’s really a fake.” So I wrestled with that and we kept going towards the front and finally got up pretty close, and it got close enough to where he said he told about this baby, this little baby. He said “I’m not even going to pray for this baby,” he said “I’m just going to point at it.” I thought “You’re a bigger fool than I figured you was.” I thought “If that thing doesn’t go like he said it is… if it’s not going to go I’m going to grab that microphone and he’s going to eat the big end of it.” I mean I was so stirred up it’s a wonder the Lord hadn’t struck me dead (chuckling) the way was acting.
Gene: But we made our way on up there, this little baby it’s the honest to God’s truth he was 20-30 feet away from this baby and he just pointed and said “In the name of Jesus,” I had my head stuck around there right in that baby’s face. It’s a wonder that thing didn’t go down my throat, but I was looking right at that baby not 6 inches away from it and he said “In the name of Jesus” and that thing left just exactly that quick. That little baby brung his tongue out trying to find that bump he had been sucking on (chuckling), and all that blue veins and all purple veins down his throat was instantly changed the little baby’s natural skin, I mean in an instant.
Sid: How many people would you say were in that tent at that time?
Gene: It was over 10,000 inside and they said there was over 20… 20,000 total. So there must have been another 10 outside. It was all the way around the tent outside several rows deep.
Sid: Okay now you see this miracle before your very eyes. You must have been shaken, what are you thinking, what’s going on inside of you now?
Gene: I had made such a spectacle out of getting out of line every time somebody got prayed for I’d go up and see if I could get in… see what they’re being prayed for as fast as I could. So I made such a spectacle of… when it came my time he said “You come up here on the stage,” everybody else had been going on the platform, and he’s setting in a chair and he’d pray for them. He said “You come up here I want to talk about you a minute.” So I went up on the stage with both hands doubled up, I didn’t know what to expect but I was going to fight my way out of it one way or the other even though I weighed 118 pounds and could hardly walk. Either way they had told me before the stage was wired so I was expecting that…
Sid: Mishpochah in other words he thought the stage was wired which caused people to shake, he didn’t know that was the power of God. Okay go ahead Gene.
Gene: No I had no idea. He told about my story, he told part of my story and while I was up there I looked out over the audience, and by the way I’d say 70% of them were black. I had all my life I didn’t like black people at all, I had such a hate for them, and all of a sudden I saw a big black man sitting about the 2nd or 3rd row, the thought came to me “Wouldn’t you like to go out there and sit down in his lap and put your arm around him?” I thought they’ve got this stage wired with something making me thing like that.
Gene: I’m trying to find out what was making my thought life go crazy. All of a sudden Sid I heard myself crying deep down inside and I left home when I was 12 years old so I was kind of hard to make cry. I heard myself crying and for the first time in my life I began to be healed from the inside.
Sid: You know as you’re saying this Gene, I don’t know what’s going on because we’re doing this by way of telephone but I can tell you the compassion of the Lord is coming over the airwaves right now. I mean I can feel it’s tangible, God’s compassion is moving right through our voices right now, continue Gene.
Gene: Okay he had asked everybody to pray for me and if I didn’t have a miracle I was going to die. I heard those big ol’ speakers behind me say “Die, die, die,” and I knew that I was going to die and the doctor told me that, but I never heard it that loud and that clear. All of sudden he asked everyone to pray for me and all those black people scooted out on the edge of their seat stretched their hand towards me and Allen asked everybody to raise their hands, and I raised mine as best as I could. My right one I couldn’t get up there for him. Standing in that condition that was when I thought somebody had poured something on me it felt like somebody poured something real thick warm over me and I turned around with my fist rolled up to get whoever was behind me but there wasn’t anybody there.
Sid: What do you mean there wasn’t anybody there? There had to be.
Gene: There wasn’t anybody pouring anything on me.
Sid: So what was pouring on you?
Gene: I found out later…
Sid: Alright no, no, no, but at the time what did you think?
Gene: I didn’t know. They had me… I was so messed up mentally, I mean I thought they was pouring something on me, I thought they had the stage wired.
Gene: I was told everything in the book. I was scared of people anyway and there was 20,000 of them looking at me. I just raised my hands as best as I could, is what he told everybody to do. The only way I can explain what happened was it felt like somebody just opened my mouth, I had my eyes shut. So it was like open my mouth and put a rubber hose in it and “Pow!” and I blew up and I mean I’ve been blown up ever since. Everything the doctors cut out went back in in a split second…
Sid: Oh were out of time!
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to know that people are being raised from the dead. That the same miracles that we read about in the Bible are taking place before our very eyes. We have the most documented miracle I have ever seen anywhere, short of course in the Bible, of a man that was dead for 3 days. He was dead according to the doctors, he was dead according to the mortuaries, so dead they injected chemicals inside of him that he had not been dead he would have died from the chemicals at the mortuary. But his wife received a visitation and was told he would come back to life and she tenaciously went to the mortuary took the body under false pretenses not… she wasn’t going to say “I know he’ll be healed.” She said “I just want to bury him.” So she takes the body, she brings it to a meeting that Reinhard Bonnke is speaking, Reinhard doesn’t even know about this. They decide it will cause too much confusion for a hearse, and a casket, and a body inside being taken into the meeting. So they finally decide “We’ll take him out of the casket and carry him to the basement so it won’t be any disturbance.” During the meeting they see signs of life and they start praying for all… now he’s down in the basement but they see he comes back to life. Reinhard Bonnke what happened next?
Reinhard: Well he comes back to life, I had finished preaching, I was already in the office of the pastor, I had to hurry by chartered aircraft back to Lagos to make my connection to my gospel crusade which was imminent. I had just gone to Onitsha by way of a detour and as a favor to a friend of mine and then while I was in the office the announcement was made in the church that in the basement a man was raised from the dead. I mean I have never heard such hysteric, joyful shouts in my whole life. I thought the roof of the cathedral was caving in. It was awesome and we were told that this man has come back to life, he has come back to life! They carried him up into the church. He still was oblivious of everything that went on around him.
Sid: Was he… you said he had rigor mortis that set in he was like concrete.
Reinhard: He was like concrete they massaged his body, the limbs began to move and everything, and that’s when they carried him up. So it took a few hours before he was able to recognize his wife and his son, and when he was able to respond to questions. His first word was “Where is my notepad?” He actually used the word that is used in Nigeria, file. He said “Where is my file?”
Sid: Why did he want this?
Reinhard: Well I will come to that a little later because this is connected with the second part of this great miracle. Because when he died we know what happened to the body, that’s what we had been talking about so far. The second part is what happened to his spirit. Later on I asked Pastor Daniel, I said “What about the injuries you suffered from? The accident when you came back to life, have you had pain?” He said to me “I have pains.” I said “What pains do you have? From the accident?” He said “No not from the accident I have great pains from the terrible massage” (Laughing).
Reinhard: You know there was not a scratch on his body from his injuries. It all totally vanished and his heart was perfect, his ribs were perfect, his lungs are perfect, it is absolutely incredible, absolutely incredible! So Pastor Daniel was then taken by his family. He went back to his home village, there was great, great rejoicing. He went back to the doctor who had issued the death certificate. The doctor said “I am absolutely shocked!” He went back to the mortician who fell on his knees and got gloriously saved and born again with his whole family as a result of it. Then neighbors came, the people came, they had to hide him just for a couple of days just to kind of recuperate. Now he joined me on the conference in Vienna. In Austria he gave his testimony there. It is amazing! He has framed his Death Certificate; I think is the only man on earth who has a framed Death Certificate hanging in his own home.
Sid: What I would like to know Reinhard is during those 3 days that he was dead does he have any recollection of what happened?
Reinhard: He has no recollection of what happened to his body, but this is his story. He says that when he was in the ambulance telling his wife what to do with the church, and what to do with the children, and the home and the house and she was crying and weeping and wailing. He said that suddenly 2 angels entered the ambulance, he knew he was going to die. He said one angel took him by the left hand and the other by the right hand and he left the ambulance. He said to me later “I did not know that I left my body behind.” He was totally oblivious of the fact that he had died and sense of just… in terms of just leaving his body behind. Those 2 angels handed him over to a great majestic angel he said who had treated him as a friend. The first thing that great angel did was given him a notepad, a file as they call it in Nigeria. And he said to Him and that he would take him to places and he would have to write down everything he sees. The first station he took him to was Paradise where he saw the saints worshipping the Lord. He said at first he mistook them for angels but he said these were the saints. He was told that these were the saints worshipping the Lord. My question to him was “Did you see Jesus?” He said “No! I saw a white bright light.” He said I shaded my eyes I tried to penetrate it but my eyes could not penetrate it.” But he said “The saints could look through that light and they were worshipping.” He said “It was so wonderful” he wanted to go in and join them there and just worship and worship and worship. The great angel said to him “No I have to show you more I want to show you the mansions that Jesus has built for His saints. He said “We never travelled, the moment the angel spoke in the twinkling of an eye we were there.” He said “I saw many mansions, fabulous mansions.” He said “So glorious I can’t describe them. It’s like like like like this… like like like that… like like like the other.…” He lacked words to describe what he saw. He said “You know I saw flowers music came out of the flowers. They were waving in rhythm.” He said “It was so fabulous, it was so glorious he just wanted to remain there and stay there. So the angel said to him “The mansions are ready but the saints are not.” So then the angel said to him “I’ve got to show you hell as well.” And he said within a nanosecond he stood with the angel in front of the gate of hell. And he said “Above the gate of hell was written in great letters ‘Welcome to the gate of hell.’”
Reinhard: He said it looked to him as if those gates hadn’t moved in a thousand years. The mighty angel next to him lifted up his hand and when he put down his hand with an awesome noise those gates began to open. In these and he looked right into hell. He said he saw multitudes upon multitudes of people in hell. He said they were all dressed like we are. He said “There were all races, there were black and white, and brown, and yellow, and all shapes and sizes and forms.” And he said “Although I could see no fire these people were in great great torment.” He said “They were cannibalizing themselves, they were eating themselves” he said. “They wanted to die and ate themselves but when they ate themselves the flesh jumped back to the place from which it had been eaten,” then the torment started again. He said “It was so horrible.” He said he saw people screaming at him, they could see him he said but not the angel next to him. One man shouted to him and said “I was a pastor on earth. I was pastoring a church. I stole money from that church. Help me to return that money!” But he said “I could not help anybody,” he said “It shook me so much because I was a pastor myself.” He said “The horror he felt was indescribable and these people were in torments of hell which could not be addicted.”
Sid: Ah Reinhard we’re out of time.
Sid: I’ll tell you Shane Wall and I are having so much fun here I’m glad you came for Something More because you’re going to get it I promise you. When was the last time you heard a message on understanding. How many times have you heard or you said “I just don’t understand this, I don’t understand why this good believer got a horrible disease and died?” Well this is what the Bible says in Proverbs 4:7 “With all of your getting get understanding.” You looked up the word get in the Hebrew what does it mean?
Shane: To get means to acquire for ones self, in other words when you get understanding you have it for your need your usage and we get understanding from God Himself.
Sid: This is such an important topic 300 times it talks about this understanding it’s a supernatural dimension that comes from God Himself. But I’ve never heard a message on this subject and everyone is questioning so much today that this going to be something more for you to put everything together. Now Shane you came from a Pentecostal background you got saved as a child. As a matter of fact when your mother was expecting you…
Sid: There were prophecies about you what did they say?
Shane: People one person picked my mother out of the audience and ministered to her and they said “That child that’s in your belly is anointed.” So my family knew from that point “That wow!” We have had preachers because her uncle’s were preachers. My mother had 5 uncles who were preachers and they wanted a boy. I was a miracle baby, after my mother heard from the doctor “You can’t have any more children.” And 10 years later here comes Shane.
Shane: (Laughing) So it was a miracle.
Sid: Now it says here that at 15 you began preaching.
Shane: I started preaching.
Sid: Did people know that you were going to be in ministry?
Shane: They did growing up in church everybody knew that I was going to be a preacher, the words of knowledge that would come, the words of prophesy from the visiting evangelists that would come through would just pick me out and “God has a great work for you to do, God has put His word in you.” And so I just knew coming up I am going to preach.
Sid: Tell me about the dream that you had at age 4.
Shane: I was 4 years old Sid and I dreamt that my family and I were out in the den just watching TV as normal. After eating and there was a certain scene, it was a black and white TV movie, and there was a certain scene that came up and this woman’s face was on the screen. And she was making an expression with her face for something that just happened. And I got up and I went to the restroom when I went to go to the restroom I saw my father sitting on the side of their bed crying. And so I ran back out into the den and I said “Momma daddy’s crying” and that was that was the end of the dream.
Sid: Hm okay.
Shane: That was it the very next night just a regular family time eating I’m sitting there watching the movie and at 4 years old I see the same scene, the same expression of the same woman’s face and at 4 I remember this Sid as if it happened this morning. I said to myself “Oh, this is when I’m supposed to go to the bathroom because I just had the dream.” And so I felt like this was like a play and this is my part in the play.
Sid: You’re just playing out what you saw in your dream.
Shane: Exactly and so I got up went to the bathroom and was shocked my father was sitting on the side of his bed crying. I ran out…
Sid: Exactly what you saw in the dream.
Shane: Exactly what I saw in the dream and so I ran out to the den and I said “Momma daddy’s crying.” Sadly enough someone had just murdered his brother in Washington, DC. And so that was the beginning…
Sid: How do you process this as a 4 year old?
Shane: I just thought…
Sid: It was natural maybe.
Shane: I guess so, supernaturally naturally supernatural to the point to where I didn’t even think about it it was like I did what I was suppose to do I did what I was shown and it was natural for me.
Sid: And it was nat…I mean talk about you know the Bible says you’re supposed to provoke the Jew to jealousy but this is ridiculous at 5 you start seeing angels.
Shane: Yes exactly.
Sid: Now when you would see them they were just conscious they were there or did you actually see them?
Shane: I actually saw the angels it started in Mrs. Bearings class I was 5 years old in kindergarten when I first started seeing the angels. And I wasn’t afraid of the angels they were very comforting and they still are very very comforting when I see them. But sometimes you don’t know why the angels are there so I ask the Holy Spirit “Why are the angels here or why is the angel here?” And sometimes the angel is there because sometimes he something that he came directly out of the very presence of God to deliver. Sometimes Sid I’ll see 2 angels. I remember a few times specifically when I’m ministering I’ll see 2 angels and the Holy Spirit said to me “One is a warring angel and one is a ministering angel.” The warring angel came through some stuff through the spirit realm so that the ministering angel could deliver what he had to deliver. So sometimes the Holy Spirit said to me “Sometimes God will pair a warrior angel with a ministering angel.”
Sid: Okay when you see the angel could you describe the way one might look of what you see?
Shane: You know for about the past 7 minutes Sid there has been an angel standing right behind you.
Sid: You know I was going to ask you that (Laughing).
Shane: For real there’s an angel standing right behind you and he’s about 9 to 10 feet tall and around his belt is like a blue cord and the blue cord is tied in the front. But off of his shoulders are like blue fringes there’s some blue fringes very muscular built standing straight.
Sid: Straighter than me okay.
Shane: Yeah exactly standing straighter than you are and his expression is as if he is waiting for a command. He’s standing there as if he’s waiting for a command but I sense so strongly that he’s assigned to you, that he is assigned to you.
Sid: Well you know what sometime during Something More I will hear what to command and it will happen.
Sid: Now when you’re ministering.
Sid: There’s many times there’s angels in fact you see them lined up.
Shane: Yes there was one particular time in the small town, small church and the angels appeared they had 2 sections in the church which made a middle aisle and they lined up. And so I’m just beginning you know thank you all for inviting me and things like that nature and the Holy Spirit says to me “Count the angels.” So you know I’m still talking but in my head I’m counting the angels and then he lead me to declare it and I told the people “There are 9 angels here tonight they are lined up in the center aisle.” And so then Sid I preached the message and as I often see some of the angels will line up at the back of the room and while I’m preaching or while I’m about to finish or whatever they start flapping their wings violently.
Sid: What does that mean to you?
Shane: To me the Holy Spirit said to me “When you see that it’s time for you to move in the gifts of the Spirit, it’s time for you to move in deliverance.” So at that point I saw those angels and so I began and I always like to start with salvation an altar call for salvation. So I called and I just really, really gave my heart for what the Holy Spirit said so at that point the people came up. I was about to pray the Holy Spirit said “Count the people.” And so I’m still about to pray prepare myself to lead into He said “Count the people.”And I did it was 9 people.
Shane: And so I said to the audience I said “Do you remember how many angels the Lord said were here earlier that He showed me? And He said 9,” I said “How many people are up there?” It was an uproar it was an uproar.
Sid: One angel for each person.
Shane: Exactly exactly the 9 people who were there. God assigns angels many times to individuals sometimes the Lord has something He wants to give to an individual and He will use His angelic host to come and bring His gifting to that individual.
Sid: Tell me about of this lady that had a lump on her side for 6 years.
Shane: Oh that was remarkable another time that the angels lined up at the back of the church it was the building that our church had before the one that we currently have. And they were lined up. So I began to minister and the Lord said “Call for those that need healing.” And so I did and this one lady came up and she and her family would visit every Sunday morning. So she came up for prayer and so I asked her “What was going on? And she said “I’ve had this lump on my side and I don’t know what it is.” So I prayed for her, now we talked earlier about being a nice Christian I don’t like my hands especially on certain parts of a lady so I asked one of the sisters of the church to put her hand there and I put my hand on top of hers. And so I prayed and so after that she told me Sid the lump got larger (Laughing).
Sid: Wait a second now that not the way it’s supposed to be scripted look at my script (Laughing) no.
Shane: Exactly and so it got larger and she said “Pastor Wall I’ve got to tell you.” Her name is Penny I’ve got tell you what happened. “Pastor Wall I told one of my co-workers what the doctors said “It was a cancer and what type it was. I started crying because my co-worker said ‘My sister died with the same cancer.’ But the doctor told me… asked me ‘How long have you had this?’” And when she told them they said “No way” so they did a biopsy found out that it was cancer. But they found something else out all of the tissue that had grown after I prayed isolated that cancer so it could not spread so they were able to go in tear it all out, clean it all out no complications she has had zero complications, so that was the miracle when it grew.
Sid: Well that is a great miracle now I am so intrigued with how God has taught you about understanding from the Bible.
Sid: And it really, it really started in 2008 when your mother unexpectedly died.
Shane: Yes Sir.
Sid: Tell me about that.
Shane: Well my mother she passed away in her sleep. It was a Sunday morning I didn’t know what was going on my father called me and we were just “What in the world was going on and so I rushed to their house and once I got there I saw her on the stretcher and they were rolling her to the ambulance. And they said “Just meet us at the hospital, just meet us at the hospital and so we went and we go there and they said “Well go in the waiting room.” I kind of felt what had happened I mean she wasn’t ill deathly ill of anything of that nature.
Sid: There’s no preparation for this.
Shane: None whatsoever.
Shane: So the doctor came into the waiting room and he asked us what happened and so we told her she had like a cold. And we said “Why don’t you go to the doctor for what for what I just get a little pain right here whenever I’m breathing in my clavicle but I’m fine.” Well I said “I’ll call an ambulance.” She said “For what?” That night is when she passed away.” And so I told the doctor everything and he said “We did everything we could but she did pass.” I said “Okay.” So he said “After we get thing kind of cleaned up back there we’ll let you come back.” So we went back there and then there was a moment Sid that I with her alone. And I was at the foot of her bed and I took my hands and I hit her feet and a said “Get up in the name of Jesus Christ.” And I felt the glory of God come all over me, all over me Sid and I looked at my mother’s face literally believing expecting for her to breathe and open her eyes but she didn’t. By that time my sister and some other people came into the room so that they could have their time with her I just moved and leaned on the wall I was disappointed, I felt defeated. Immediately the Holy Spirit spoke to me and said “I heard what you said but that’s not what I want to do.”
Sid: You know that is the last thing that I would have expected the Holy Spirit to say.
Sid: I’ll tell you what why don’t you just hold that thought right there. But how would you like to have supernatural understanding in every situation of your life? Three hundred times in the Bible it talks about understanding it tells us to get understanding. Give me one sentence understanding of the word understanding from the Biblical perspective.
Shane: “In all thy getting get understanding we get our understanding from God.” The clearest thing in the world is whatever you face in life there is an understanding that God has for it it doesn’t matter what it is. This is I believe the sentence I really really want people to grasp “Whatever God says is the understanding.”
Sid: You know that is so simple it’s deep (Laughing).
Sid: Now you’re going to discover power that you have to defeat every demonic foe you have in your life. You’re going to flow with an instant increase and accuracy in the spiritual gifts. Practical ways that you can obtain this revelation supernatural understanding from God in every situation how many times have you prayed “God I don’t understand this love one did everything they were supposed to do they’re young they shouldn’t have been taken!” Well I’m going to tell you something there is a force, that’s the word that comes from heaven to give you understanding in every circumstance of your life….find out what God meant when He talked to Shane be right back with Something More.
Sid: As many of you know I recently went to Israel and I was just… I was serious and I was kidding. I told several people “Wouldn’t it be something if when I’m in Israel when war broke out.” I went to Israel for Passover. You see my sister and brother in law recently made Aliyah, that means became citizens of Israel and are living in Israel right now. I wanted to visit them for Passover and I had several meetings that were going on. So I combined the whole thing and I went there I had a thought “Wouldn’t it be something if war broke out when I was there.” I actually thought it could happen and my wife Joyce went with me and I told Joy “I know that we’re going to be safe.” She was saying “Well I don’t want you really to go but I’m going to protect you.” Of course you know I’m thinking “How you going to protect me?” But she literally felt she was supposed to go protect me, to pray my way through.
I’m going to tell you something those of you who have followed what happened at the Passover massacre and the Passover war on Israel you know what’s going on when I was there and I needed that prayer support and that prayer protection. I mean it seemed like we would just leave the city and then a suicide bomber would do his thing. We were outside… on the Passover massacre we were in a huge traffic jam because it was right by when that massacre occurred. I can tell you as a fact there is supernatural protection when you do what God tells you do, when God tells you to do it you have nothing to fear, absolutely nothing to fear.
Some of you may recall the story of my sister and brother in law, they had a prophetic dream. My sister does not get a lot of prophetic dreams, is not one these people that God says this and God says that. So when my sister says God say this I really pay attention. I remember my sister saying “You know Sid I had a dream and in the dream my husband and I were determined on a certain set plan to stay in the United States because we had to get our retirement.” They both have very substantial retirements. In this dream they’re debating “Should I go? Should I not go? Because I need my money” and they decided “No we’re going to go” and it’s in the dream.
So they get on a jet and they’re heading making Aliyah to Israel and while they’re on the plane the voice of God comes to them, again this in the dream. The voice of God says “This was the last planes that Jews will be allowed to leave for Israel.”
Now needless to say after getting that dream they made Aliyah. They went to Israel they’re living in Israel today. Now many people ask “Sid do you believe it’s too late for a Jewish person to make Aliyah from America to Israel?” Absolutely not, but I believe that’s what God used to get my sister and brother in law to Israel. I believe prophetically this day will happen in America and prophetically I believe we’re very close to that day happening.
What would happen if the same thing happened in Argentina happened in America? I mean you have a house that’s worth $250, 000 and instantly it goes down 50% in value $125,000. You have $50,000 in your retirement plan or in the bank instantly it’s worth half, $25,000. Then each day the value keeps going down so you say “Well I’m going to go to the bank and take my money out! Take my retirement dollars out!” And the bank doors are closed you can’t get your money and you watch the dollar going down, down, down. That’s what’s going on in Argentina, and you say “It couldn’t happen in America,” it will happen in America, unfortunately.
So what should someone do? I believe a Jewish believer in the Messiah must hear from God. The safest place in the world is where God tells them to be, and a Jewish non-believer in the Messiah pack your bags quick and get to Israel. Why? Because time is running short and you have a choice you can go as a mensch, that’s a human being, or you can go with the clothing on your back as many of our brethren after the flesh in Germany did if they were blessed, if they were fortunate, if they didn’t go into the gas chambers.
By the way I believe a law will be passed in the United States shortly when economic chaos hits that we won’t be able to take money out this country. So while you can go as a mensch I urge you to.
Now a lot of people wonder about my sister and brother in law, I mean here they just made Aliyah they just moved to Israel and they don’t know the language, they’re in Ulpan, that’s where they’re studying the language. So people wonder “Here they just moved and they’re in a war zone. They were very comfortable in the United States. Are they sorry? Do they have regrets?” I can tell you my sister and brother in law, my sister’s almost 60 and my brother in law is over 60 and they’re studying Hebrew. My sister said to me when I was in Israel with her, she said “You know languages are very difficult for me but I love studying Hebrew. It’s God! The people that I meet, I love the people in Israel so much and I feel so safe in Israel. I just go down the street and I order a coffee afuf (I think that’s the way you say it. It’s coffee with cream in it).” And she said “I just the people of Israel, I love living in Israel. I’m not afraid of anything.”
Whether you’re Jewish or not the issue is whether Yeshua is your Lord. If He is your entitled to Psalm 91 “That no weapon formed against you shall prosper.” Not one weapon that’s formed against you. I’ve never seen the righteous forsaken of their seed begging for bread. I’m watching my sister experience that.
By the way we had a wonderful Passover Seder, Passover meal in Israel. It was just my family, Joyce and myself, and my sister and brother in law. And my sister said “You know I have a feeling I’m supposed to invite a particular Russian Jewish woman and she’s a single parent.” So my sister said “Would you like to come?” She said “Wonderful!” So this Russian Jewish Woman came and we had our Passover Seder. You see God has given us the culture of our faith and when we had the Passover meal this Jewish woman saw that Jesus, Yeshua, is in fact the Jewish Messiah. At the Passover Seder she became a Messianic Jew and she was so happy. The next Shabbat, the next Sabbath, she was in the Messianic Jewish congregation.
By the way, when Joyce and I were flying over to Israel, and interesting enough of course we didn’t know for sure we were going to be in a war zone, but we found ourselves in a war zone. Joyce was saying to me “You know I didn’t want you to go Sid but I felt I had to go to protect you, literally.” I believe her prayers did protect us while we were there.
But while I was on the airplane I heard for the very… actually the second time in my life. I was just dozing off and I heard an audible voice and the audible voice called my name. I mean it literally startled me so much I looked around and I said to Joyce “Did you call my name?” I literally said that to her because that’s how clear it was.
So when we got to Israel I’ve got some very interesting things to report to you. We had a couple of services one was at a Messianic congregation in Tel Aviv. The Messianic rabbi is David Lazerus and the night I went there to speak was a night that many of the young men and women were called into active duty. So a lot of the members of the congregation were very heavy and why were they heavy? Because their sons and daughters were going into a war zone. I have to be candid with you I have it in my heart there’s going to be so many miracles and my faith was so high was believing for all sorts of physical miracles. I normally always get words of knowledge, I didn’t get any words of knowledge. I said “Lord what’s going on?” Then I realized He wanted me to talk about fear and worry, and heaviness. God gave me a supernatural message I never shared this message before and at the end of the message there was a release of the Spirit of joy.
You know doctors tell us “Watch a comedy if you have cancer.” By laughing you release good things into your body that heal your body. How much more when you start laughing in the Spirit of God? How much more healing comes? Literally I believe people that are laughing in the Spirit of God are laughing at the devil and laughing at their problems because they know God has gone ahead and already removed their problems and already healed them.
My sister was at this service and she started laughing and laughing so loud. At first she was sitting in her chair and the next thing I noticed she was laying on 3 chairs and she said “You know Sid I didn’t have the nerve to do this but I felt like being like a little child. I felt like taking my legs and just kicking them up in the air like a little child being so free.” Remember the atmosphere before I started speaking? Do you remember the heaviness, the worry and the hurt, and the fear? It all was deflated it all disappeared.
I tell you God is so good I’m so glad I didn’t give the message that I had prepared. I had a wonderful message prepared but I would have missed God. That’s the purpose of life we must be led of God’s Spirit not by our peanut brain because our peanut brain doesn’t have all the information. But when we’re led by the Spirit of God we’re sons and daughters of the living God. There is nothing more exciting than being alive at this set time to favor Zion. At this time we’re in the footsteps, as the orthodox rabbis say, we’re are in the footsteps of the return of the Messiah, except they don’t say return I say return. They think it’s His first coming it’s actually His return and the two will be one, that’s my One New Man message.
Sid: My guest is Bible teacher Martha Kilpatrick and I’m interviewing her on her new book “Chariot of Fire – Elijah the Last Days.” I told you on the telephone when I called you Martha that there was something in your book that I didn’t know you had a burden for a supernatural burden for the Jew in Israel at the time. But there was something in your book that just it JUMPED OUT at me, and I believe it’s a now word for intercessors. You were talking about the distinguishing characteristics of people that are controlled in one or more areas of their life by a spirit of Jezebel, or a spirit of Ahab. You talked about the spirit of Ahab is “peace at any price.” I’m thinking “That’s what Israel is doing. That’s what…” I mean in Israel, and I happen to have dual-citizenship I’m an Israeli as well as an American. In Israel it’s like a small city mentality even though it’s a country. When one person so many people know that person, it’s national tragedy. With all the loss of life, even knowing the consequences of negotiating with the Palestinians, and the consequences are very simple; the Palestinians have made it clear that they want their own nation all of Israel not a Palestinian state the goal is all of Israel. You have to be crazy to want to have a peace agreement, that’s like putting the Trojan horse in your nation. But death after death of these young children, of these university students, and we say “Peace at any price,” and that’s what’s coming. Where did this spirit come from? It defies my logic. Explain this to me Martha.
Martha: Well you pointed out when you called me that it could be the spirit of Ahab and this astonished me because it’s so clear. I think I said to you certainly the terrorism appears to be very like Jezebel, threatening , intimidating, committing murder, and more religious than Israel claiming to be more religious all in the name of religion. All of those smack of the spirit of Jezebel and it astonished me. I think you asked me “How would you pray?”
Martha: I know from a personal walk in this that the first thing you need is courage from God. It takes a supernatural courage to face this.
Sid: So what if you don’t have this do you ask Him for it?
Martha: You ask Him for it. You ask Him for it. It takes courage to face yourself, it takes courage those who are coming after you in that spirit…
Sid: More of… Israel can’t pray for themselves…
Sid: … they can pray for peace, but how should someone that’s like you, and I’m looking at you you’re from a non-Jewish background but you have a Magen David, a star of David around your neck. You’re boldly saying “I’m on your side Israel. I love the Jewish people.” That’s what that is saying to me when you wear that around your neck. So how can someone like yourself pray effectively against, this is what it is, a spirit of Ahab. I mean listen that’s covenant land. God says “I’ve given it to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and your ancestors unconditionally forever, and don’t you dare give it up no matter what the circumstances.” Now even Israel, even the United States is orchestrating this whole deal. So how can we pray for America because I know, I don’t think this, I know that the day America plays the point man on a Palestinian state is the day it’s going to be the darkest day in the history of the United States of America, not Israel, but Israel is acquiescing it’s being an Ahab. They’re saying “Yes you can have a Palestinian just no more deaths of our children.”
Martha: Hmm. I think that our job as intercessors is to pray for that courage to face them. A salvation above all to recognize Yeshua as Messiah, that’s the answer. But in between here and there (chuckling), the spirit of fear is what comes that you acquiesce to Jezebel. I said in the book that to conquer fear is to conquer Jezebel. To be absolutely fearless…
Sid: Are most people fearful?
Martha: Most people are more fearful than they even realize, and able to be controlled through fear and threats. Jezebel increases your fear by those threats and the actual performance of some of those threats makes that principality seem indestructible and everyone of the lies of it.
Sid: Isn’t that exactly what the Palestinians are doing through suicide bombers?
Martha: It appears to be the max of it so clearly. So fearlessness by the courage of God is what is needed.
Sid: You know for our president, I can’t speak for him at this second but I can speak for him historically. He has been what is called politically centrist, he walks right down the middle he finds out what the majority of the people want and that’s what he does. As a centrist that’s pleasing man we have to pray for courage for our president…
Sid: …and to have the…
Sid: Yeah I mean with everything going on in the world today I think personally God put Sharon in office, I don’t believe it’s an accident. We needed a military type in Israel at this moment, but I also believe just as strong that God put Bush in office, he is God’s man of the hour. You know what he tells people when he sees them, just you know he’s in a big crowd and he shakes hands with people, I’ve had people tell me this and they say “Mr. President I’m a Christian and I’m praying for you.” This is what his answer is every time “Oh please I need that!” Can you imagine having a president like that. We’ve got to lift his hands up.
Martha: We have to pray.
Sid: Martha you told this story at our conference of what happened to you in Russia that really fits in right now.
Martha: We’d gone on a missionary trip there. A friend of mine, Carol and I were walking the streets of St. Petersburg praying. She took me by the arm and stopped me and she said something that it took me a long time to understand. She said “Martha where you walk Jezebel is displaced, Jezebel and Ahab are displaced.”
Sid: Oh will you walk all over my office Martha? (Laughing) No I’m just kidding, I’m not teasing but go ahead.
Martha: (Laughing) And she said “Because you have conquered it. Those who are after you and in yourself you have authority in the heavens over this principality.” I stood there a bit in shock but later I began to comprehend what she was saying. I believe that God’s going to use this book to prepare us to be instruments that can part the heavens.
Sid: Well it’s the anointing that’s on you is transferred to people that read this book because the anointing that is on you is almost like you coming into their home when they read this book.
Martha: It is my story and it is my journey.
Sid: You know as we’ve discussed all of this week most of this is blind spots this control, this fear, this just being so apathetic, just being self-centered, just wanting fun – fun – fun. Would you pray that the blind spots would be removed for our Mishpochah right now?
Martha: Yes, yes I will! Our precious Father in heaven we ask You to bring Your kingdom on earth. I ask you to bring it through the listeners, through me, through Sid, and ever listener. Grab us Father that we may be filled with forgiveness and filled with You Spirit that where we walk whether it’s in the prayer closet for Israel, or whether it’s on the streets on Jerusalem that we will displace the dominion of evil. The presence of Jezebel and Ahab intimidation will depart. Let us as believers be instruments by personal repentance and personal cleansing to bring forth the defeat of Satan’s plans for your nation. I ask it in the name of Yeshua. Praise you Lord I know you will do it!
Sid: Spirit of the living God I pray that you convict of sin and righteousness and judgment. Father God we’re Your best, we’re the only body you have on earth and we humbly say “Show us where we’ve yielded to the enemy so we can repent because I’m not satisfied, my Mishpochah are not satisfied with the intimacy that we have with you we need more and we know this is a stepping stone. Almighty God reveal by Your Spirit areas we need to repent of. In Yeshua’s name I pray. Mishpochah even the bad areas in our life that’s affected by Jezebel or by Ahab, God is even redeeming those things. Even though the devil meant it for evil God’s going to use it for good.