Sid: I am finding that the guests that I have on Messianic Vision and It’s Supernatural Television are handpicked by God to give you a certain portion that is not being taught properly in the churches that God wants His believers; His people to understand. I was just visited a church when I was on vacation a few months ago and I went into the upstairs of the church and there was an artist gallery there. And I saw a painting that so captured my heart. It’s a picture of an orthodox Jewish man at the Western Wall; Christian’s call it the Wailing Wall. It is the Western Wall, it’s the only thing left from the temple that we have. It’s considered the most Holy Place in Israel today and he has His hand touching the Wall. That’s his way of touching God but on the other side of the Wall you see Jesus and you see Jesus touching his hand, the Orthodox Jewish man and praying that the spiritual scales would come off. And I’m going to tell you we have put it in a beautiful frame and we’re making it available with the most unique book you will ever be able to read about Israel. It’s a fresh approach for the end-times that we’re living in. It’s called “Why Still Care About Israel?” I promise you you will have questions this book is going to answer. And you will have friends that are going to have questions this book is going to answer. The research was done by a Messianic Jew from Israel who happens to be an attorney; she has dual citizenship. She’s American as well as Israeli, Sandra Teplinski. Sandra let’s get right into some very very basic things the Abrahamic Covenant. Many are saying that it is conditional. What is the Abrahamic Covenant; why is it important and why is it unconditional?
Susan: The Abrahamic Covenant Sid as you know begins in Genesis 12 verses 1-3. Most people are familiar with that passage. God tells Abraham to leave his country; go to a land that God will show him and then promises that He will bless Abraham and make his name great. And that God will bless those that bless Abraham but whoever curses him God will curse; yet all peoples on earth will be blessed through Abraham. Now time goes on and Abraham approaches God at one point in Genesis 15 and he has no children and he hasn’t settled in the land. And he asks God “How can I know that I will gain possession of this land?” God answers him an extremely unique way. What He does is He instructs Abraham to slaughter and to sacrifice different pieces of animals and to lay the cut up bodies on the ground. Then God puts Abraham into a spirit induced sleep and God Himself, according to the scriptures, passes as fire between the pieces. This ritual would sound strange to us in the 21st century was actually the identical procedure used in Abraham’s day to formalize a legal covenant. Animals were cut up covenanting parties would walk between the pieces in order to promise that the oath to one and other would be performed. But what is especially important about this transaction with Abraham is that Abraham did not walk between the pieces only God Himself as Holy Fire walked between the pieces. What that meant according to the laws of the day is that the covenant that was being made between God and Abraham was unconditional. Meaning that Abraham would not have to do anything in order for the covenant to be fulfilled God was the one who would do it all. The unconditional nature of the Abrahamic Covenant should demonstrate to us one of God’s most supreme acts of mercy and grace because through Abraham all families are blessed. God’s blessing of the nation of the Gentiles into the Jewish rooted household of faith into Covenant with God is by mercy and grace. So that’s why we can see that Abraham and his descendant’s sin. They don’t always follow; we don’t always follow the Mosaic Law let alone God’s New Covenant words. But by mercy and grace God has promised on His word alone that He will fulfill and bring to completion His promises to Abraham and Abraham’s descendants Isaac and Jacob. Later on in the Book of Genesis chapter 17 God promises that Isaac will inherit the Covenant and specifically not Ishmael, although Ishmael will get blessed, and that Jacob in Genesis 28 will inherit the Covenant and not Esau.
Sid: And of course these are the father of the Arabs will not inherit it and that the Jewish people will. How does Galatians 3 tie in with that?
Susan: Well Galatians 3 confirms what God did in the Book of Genesis. Galatians 3 says that “The promise that God made to Abraham came before the giving of the law and therefore cannot be altered by what transpires in connection with the law.” More simply put it means that if the Jewish people sin God’s Covenant with them through Abraham; Isaac and Jacob still stands.
Sid: Speaking of still standing just the Genesis 12:3 where God says “I’ll bless those who bless the Jewish people. I will curse who curse them.” Tell us a little bit of history of nations that have gone against the Jew in Israel and what’s happened to them.
Susan: Well we see that the blessing and curse verse actually goes into effect almost immediately when Abraham deals with King Abimelech in Egypt. Abimelech if first cursed and then blessed on account of his treatment toward Abraham and Sarah. And we can follow that trend through the scriptures, but in post Bible history we can trace how nations sadly have more often cursed then blessed the Jewish people. And how that has been seemingly connected with their down fall soon thereafter beginning with the Roman Empire. The Roman Empire after it overtook Israel began to enact virulently and violently anti-Jewish and anti-Messianic Jewish laws not long thereafter the Roman Empire fell. We can go on in history to the crusades sponsored mostly by England and France. Dispatched by Popes they dispatched their soldiers down to liberate Jerusalem but liberate almost unfortunately almost meant liquidate multitudes of unarmed Jews and Muslims along the way. Well, shortly after that England and France turned their weapons against each other in the 100 years’ war. Then we can go on to the Golden Age of Spain where many many Jewish people found refuge for 100′s of years. Then as you know with the Spanish inquisitions in the 1300 or 1400′s Jewish people in Spain were forced to either convert or leave the country. Shortly after that the Spanish Empire fell never again to be resurrected in history. Then we had the British Empire; many many Jewish people found refuge in the British Isles 100′s of years ago. And as long as England treated the Jewish population well things went well for her. The empire expanded it was said that the sun never sets on the British Empire. But then England sadly made decisions that turned against the Jews; that turned against Israel in particular. Because England played a key role in the restoration of Israel as a nation state. But was not sadly always faithful to the responsibility given her and shortly thereafter the British Empire fell apart. Then we go on to the former Soviet Union which treated the Jewish population there very cruelly. Shortly after there was a prolonged campaign by the west for the USSR to allow the Jewish population to immigrate and to loosen its grip on the Jewish People. The Soviet Union became the former Soviet Union when it imploded from within.
Sid: And how about Germany, when they turned against the Jew with Holocaust?
Susan: Well Germany certainly suffered greatly but thankfully a critically mass remnant of sincerely repented afterwards and had blessed Israel. And as you know Germany is relatively prosperous among western nations today and doing fairly well.
Sid: So that Genesis 12:3 “I will curse those that curse the Jewish people;” we saw Germany cursed. And then they turned around to bless the Jewish people and then we saw Germany blessed. Now what about all the turmoil going on in Arab countries now? What’s causing all that?
Susan: Well, I think that we have to say that one reason is that from the beginning Arab Muslim nations of the Middle East and North Africa have all cursed the day of Israel’s rebirth. They continue to this day to issue curse upon curse over Israel and Jewish people worldwide. And that’s a good part of the reason why they’re in the condition that they’re in.
Sid: I have documented through friends of mine and actually you cover this in your brand new book because it’s just so well documented. That every time the United States as a nation goes against Israel there’s either an economic judgment or a catastrophe of an Earthquake or a tornado or flooding. I mean it’s the most phenomenal thing and no doubt the reason the US is the most blessed country in the world is we have been a friend from the very conception of our country Israel. But this works for families too.
Sid: My guest Pastor David Jones February 2012 he had an open vision on what the Bible refers to as the Day of the Lord. There’s not a whole lot of teaching about the Day of the Lord. There’s not a whole lot of mention of about the Day of the Lord except in the Bible. But David found himself in this open vision observing people, and describe one more time for me David when the people the terror on their faces and they’re so caught by surprise not thinking that this would come.
David: It was like all the talk about Jesus is coming, Jesus is coming all this talk it has finally happened and it’s happening right before our very eyes. They were in total disbelief, they were in total shock that all of these years of going by saying “Jesus is coming” it has come and everything was so happening so fast Sid that they couldn’t even think straight. Things was happening so fast that it was total perplexity, total horror, total terror in everyone’s heart.
Sid: Now, the thing that got me is the people said “I thought I had more time.” Well, describe their faces when they said that.
David: It was just total interruption in their lives, their life had been interrupted and now he’s facing the Mighty God, now he’s facing the Lord Jesus coming so speedily and he thought he had more time. And that’s what a lot of people are saying “Oh, I got time I’m still young.” But the Bible says “Serve the Lord in the days of your youth because the evil days are joining now. Remember your creator in the days of your youth.” It caught him totally off guard.
Sid: Okay, you had this open vision, you’re now alert, you’re now processing to the best of your ability what just occurred. Tell me… you had said the first thing that you did was pray for yourself. What do you mean by that?
David: I could sense and feel what everyone was feeling even though I was hovering about 200 feet in the air.
Sid: You actually could feel their feelings?
David: I could feel their feelings even though I was there but I wasn’t a part of what was happening He was just showing me everything. He was just like He catapulted me right there but I sensed and feel everything such horror. So those emotions were still on me and I begin to search my own heart. Sid I know I’m saved, I know that I’m filled with the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in the heavenly language as the Spirit of God gives utterance. BUT! I had to search my own heart, I didn’t look at my wife, my children. I start searching my own heart and I start saying “God forgive me for all trespasses and sins; forgive me for confessed sin and un-confessed sin. God forgive me God; I want to be counted worthy to go back with You; please Lord!” I begin to look at my own humanity.
Sid: Now as your repenting before God God showed you you were supposed to be praying for a particular group of people. For pastors, why would he have you praying for pastors?
David: Because the pastors are the voice of God; they are the spokesmen of God. They are the ones that preach the gospel or suppose to preach the gospel and give people the whole truth. And the Bible says “You shall know truth and the truth shall make you free.” Only the truth that you know, and God is holding all pastors, apostles and prophets and evangelists and pastors and teachers responsible for giving people the truth. A lot of time people are bound in their heart and in their mind and in their soul. But when they hear the truth freedom comes, deliverance comes.
Sid: Now after that vision you began to research what the Bible has to say about the Day of the Lord.”
Sid: What did you find?
David: I found in the Book of Joel the 2nd Chapter God begin to give me scripture and it reads as thus “Joel 2:1 “Blow ye the trumpet in Zion.” And that’s what I’m doing right now on this radio show. “Blow ye the trumpet of Zion, sound the alarm in My holy mountain; let all the inhabitants of the land tremble for the day of the Lord cometh for it is now at hand; a day of darkness and a day of gloominess and a day of clouds and thick darkness as the morning spreads upon a mountain; as a great people and nation strong. There has never been any like neither shall there be any more after it. Even the years of many generations of fire devoured before them. And behind a flame burneth and the land in the Garden of Eden and before them; and behind them a desolated wilderness; yeah nothing shall escape them. The appearance of them is as appearance of horses and as horsemen so shall they run. Like the noise of chariots on top of mountains they shall leap; like a noise of a flame; like fire devoured the stubble as a strong people set in battle in array. Before their faces shall be much pain; all faces shall gather blackness.” This is what I’ve seen upon the faces of the people, total horror. “They shall run like mighty men, they shall climb the walls like men of war. They shall march everyone on their way; they shall not break their ranks neither shall one thrust another. They shall walk everyone in his path when they fall upon this sword they shall not be wounded. They shall run to and fro in the city, they shall run upon the walls; they shall run upon the houses; they shall enter into the windows like a thief and the earth shall quake before them and the heaven shall tremble. And the sun and the moon shall be dark and the stars shall not withdraw their shining. And the Lord shall utter His voice before His army, for his camp is very great for He is strong that executeth His word for the Day of the Lord is great and very terrible, who can abide it?” That’s just one scripture, do you want more?
Sid: I’ll tell you what I want to know is shortly after you had that open vision I had an amazing dream from God. And in the dream God spoke to me and He said “Three times I’m coming back soon, I’m coming back soon, I’m coming back soon.” Now I have to tell you I knew that it was possible for Him to come back soon, but I didn’t really believe it was going to be so soon.
Sid: And between your open vision and what I heard, what has God called you to do with this vision now?
David: He told me, I charge you. He gave me a charge to warn all mankind that “I’m coming, that I’m coming, that I’m coming.” And Jesus said “I’m coming in an hour and at a time when man least expects it. And if Jesus said He’s coming in an hour and at a time when man least expects it. Sid it’s going to be exactly that at an hour and at a time when man least expects it!
Sid: Now when you share your vision before people you tell me that people start wailing and tell me the reaction of people when they hear this with the presence of God and the force of God behind this vision.
David: They start wailing and screaming, they start wailing and screaming. I didn’t understand it at first. And I began to inquire of the Lord I said “God what’s going on; why is people wailing and screaming and men screaming like women. I said “I’d never seen them, like big football players just wailing and screaming and running to the altars.” And He said “Didn’t you wail after you came out of the vision?” I said “Oh my Lord yes I did, I wailed and travailed,” I wailed for 2 hours. God had me praying for preachers all over the world the proclaimers of the gospel of the good news. And as the people began to wail and scream strong conviction came upon their hearts, strong conviction of repentance. What is repentance? A change of mind and action.
Sid: Most people don’t even hear messages on repentance; they hear messages and rightfully so, on the wonderful grace of God. And rightfully so, but they don’t hear about repent… John the Baptist message, repent of your sins!
Sid: Why is that?
David: That’s a good question, even Jesus and John the Baptist came “Repent ye for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” And when they asked Peter and the rest of the apostles “What shall we do?” He said “Repent ye. Right now.” Number 1 repentance, a change of mind and a change of action. If you don’t repent there’s not… I mean true repentance is a truly a change of mind and action; you go another way. Sid let me show you a New Testament scripture about repentance and the Day of the Lord. 2nd Peter 3:8 “But beloved be not ignorant of this one thing that one day with the Lord is as a thousand years; and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning His promises as mean count slackness, but is long suffering to us-ward and willing that any should perish but all come to repentance. But the day of the Lord shall come as a thief in the night in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise and the elements shall melt with a fervent heat. The earth and all the works shall therein shall be burnt up.”
Sid: The Bible says “He who wins souls is wise.” The truth is very few Christians do this; this is a New Year’s Resolution for you I want you to take souls to heaven…
Sid: I’m speaking to a couple that are red hot for the Messiah Pat and Patty McEnnerney. I’m speaking to them at their home in Casa Grande, Arizona. On yesterday’s broadcast we found out that Patrick came from a real dysfunctional family. He was an alcoholic; he was addicted to drugs; his wife was at the end of her rope. She literally gave up and she said “God I just give up he’s in your hands.” And the power of God came on her so strong and she was literally pinned to the ground. And afterwards Patrick you looked in her eyes and you saw a love that you’ve never seen before. And then you had an auto accident and if you’d continue at that point.
Pat: Yes, I was coming home late I’d been drinking and using narcotics and I blacked out. And I know that the Lord had an angel in that vehicle because I wouldn’t be here speaking had He hadn’t intervened with a grace by sending an angel. But I had blacked out driving my plumbing truck home and was going off the road when I was shaken violently. Before I drove off the road I had crossed in the right lane on to the left and I was violently shaken and as I immediately came to, and my head was clear. And I cried out “Oh Jesus” and slammed on the brakes and had left the left lane and ran into some big 8 x 8 guardrails and the top timber broke off. And I remember it broke off and I remember everything went into slow motion as this huge timber came right at my head right at the windshield. And it hit the windshield the most amazing thing, it took a chunk out of it it did not crack it. And it went up over and the lower one on the guardrail went through the exterior of the vehicle, the fender and would have taken my leg off. The truck came to a stop; and I leaped up out of my chair and I turned around immediately because I needed to know who shook me I knew that nobody was in the vehicle. I jumped out of the car and obviously I was very inebriated when I left and I don’t recall all the narcotics I used but I was totally in my right mind when the vehicle came to a stop. And so I drove home and early that morning the Lord came to me and woke me about 4:30 – 5:00 AM. And I saw my life…
Sid: Excuse me, He came to you; He woke you. What did He look like a person, was He shadowy; what was going on?
Pat: Okay, He spoke to me. His presence filled the room and there was this tremendous conviction of my sin. Now I didn’t see in the natural at this point because if I could have found a rock to crawl under I would have. I was under such conviction of my sin and I saw my life from my earliest time into the present past before me. It’s a hard thing to explain; it’s a hard thing to explain.
Sid: I’ve heard many people say this that they see their life but did it happen in an instant that you see it or did it take a period of time?
Pat: Well, I think that you can’t measure it in time; it was an instant but yet it seemed like it wasn’t. Does that make sense, it was supernatural. It’s like God shut the time off and let me review my book. And what I saw; I mean in His presence I had nothing to say. So I couldn’t believe it though. I mean my mind could not grasp; and the Lord told me that I was an addict and alcoholic. And this might sound funny to many but sin has a way that hardens you to the point that you know not; and I didn’t realize truly that I was an alcoholic or an addict. Now my wife knew this of course and probably others but that was news to me. The Lord said “If you do not turn I will take your life and you will burn” and He was giving me a choice. Now I just accepted the Lord and I was struggling with these things and I really had no knowledge of the gospel. But there was two scriptures that I did know and one is that it says that God is not a liar, but man is. And I remember after the Lord speaking to me and this happened 3 times before I slid out of the bed. I actually saw my life pass before me and 3 times God said “If you don’t turn I will take your life from you and you will burn.” And I pondered this scripture that came to my mind. God is not a liar and I heard myself say “If this is true then I am the one that’s deceived and the liar,” and I slid out of my bed. The other scripture that came to me is “God is faithful to forgive all those that cry out in the Name of Jesus.” All those that cry out in the Name of Jesus will be saved.” And I started to call out and instantly the Lord spoke to me and I jumped up because I felt His presence in the room. And as I jumped up and turned around I had an encounter with the living God; it was like I entered into the Body of Jesus and I looked at myself through His eyes. I saw the love that I saw in my wife; but I saw that for me. And I had no understanding of such great love that God has for us individually; it’s an individual thing. Yes, it’s corporate but we must receive it individually and at that moment I knew that He loved me. And it was beyond any human love and at that very moment I said “Lord.” I was so overwhelmed and then I saw through the eyes of God the grief and the pain that He had because of my sin. And it was repulsive, it was like it was putrefying and in that moment I just cried out again “Lord, in Jesus Name forgive me.” The moment I did I fell to the floor, the power and the presence of God overwhelmed me and I hit the floor like a sack of potatoes. The Lord reached down and laid His hand upon me. And He says “Son, not only have I forgiven you and redeemed you, and healed you and delivered you but you will never again dabble with drugs and alcohol.” And He said “I have set you free.” I stood up again, and I don’t know how long that was maybe 15 minutes; I was sobbing, laughing, crying. And through my hands up in the air and I was shouting (Laughing) and my wife heard all of this commotion you know. By this time she had gotten up and she had been downstairs; I think that she’d probably gotten up early in the hours after I came home. And she went downstairs to sleep on the couch and she come running in the room. And I was weeping, laughing, crying and shouting that I had been saved. You know I was already saved but I wasn’t delivered. But at this point I was totally delivered.
Sid: What do you mean totally delivered? What happened to the alcohol and the drugs?
Pat: It left, it was a demon.
Sid: It just instantly left you?
Pat: Instantly left me; and you know that’s what the word says. (Laughing) We don’t have to go through months or years of trying to dry out or walk the rest of our life as a dry drunk or dry addict. When God says He will redeem you and sets you free He means it; but it must be spoken by faith in those that believe. The anointing, His presence, everything happens in His presence. Salvation happens, the raising of the dead, the blind see; the lame walk…
Sid: Patrick you talked about something that is critical in the understanding of how God uses you in ministry now. You talked about God’s love, Jesus’ compassion; why is it most of us can’t, or don’t, or won’t walk in this?
Pat: Because Paul said at the end of his ministry, he said “All have left me, none follow me Christ crucified.” Oh they love Christ but they don’t like crucified. God won’t accept anything on the altar. He doesn’t want 99.9% of you He wants all of you.
Sid: So if someone is doing something that is sin but not a bad sin in saying “I guess it must be okay because I haven’t gotten a telegram from God to stop it.” That’s the type of thing that God’s talking about; God’s not going to give you a telegram on what you know yourself to stop.
Pat: That’s it; it’s deception and every time we say no to God and don’t obey our heart becomes hardened. Eventually He turns you over to your own desires and that is destruction. Sin does bring death, but God is longsuffering and His love endures forever and His compassion is deeper than the understanding of man’s mind or intellect. But He’s not forgetful and He knows all those. He knows our heart; this is the great thing is God knows our heart. He does not require from us perfection, His son was perfect for us and this truth that really has empowered our ministry it’s God in us. He will use anybody, God’s not a respecter of person. Oh! This is the good news of the gospel; come as you are. But what most people don’t do is that they don’t say to the Lord “Change my heart.” Because many of us blind, deceived are in love with sin; we have our pet little sins. And sin is sin; God doesn’t have a stepladder. We won’t enter the gates, it’s a narrow gate, it’s a simple but narrow gate.
Sid: But beyond that I believe where we are in history that God is giving anointing’s to people right now. Giving ministries to people right now and people are holding on to the toys of this earth are going to miss their destiny.
Sid: If they don’t realize the hour that we’re living in right now.
Pat: That’s true and if I may say this, God is giving me a word that I’ve been preaching, and ministering and prophesying for a year. That there’s a new generation…
Sid: I’ll tell you what stop for a minute I hate to do this but I must do it. We’ll pick up right here on tomorrows broadcast.
Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Doug Jones; he’s been an instructor at Rhema Bible School for over 20 years. He has spent 9 years heading up their Healing School. He’s got insights into healing in the last few days we’ve been talking about a dimension that very few in what are called word of faith teaching have opened themselves up to. And that’s yielding to the Spirit of God that may make no sense; may go against everything that you’ve ever thought but would be the key to open yourself for a healing. But Doug there’s another side; let’s talk about that today; the faith side.
Doug: Yes, there is the faith side. There is Holy Spirit side and we need to be sensitive to the Spirit of God as we maneuver our way to eradicate the diseases out of our bodies. Sid I want to say this too before we go on to this faith side issue. Spirit of God can also lead you about medical physicians. We’ve actually had in our family where my wife just something wasn’t right about a particular physician and we actually switched doctors as a result of it. And we come to find out that that was a Spirit of God leading her and guiding her. And so we encourage people to seek medical assistance and to seek physicians helps. But we still need to be lead by the Spirit of God and lead also while we’re hearing the word of God that maybe the Spirit of God can tweak some of our beliefs so that we’re in proper position. But there is another side that we need to consider and that is that if we’re not getting anything from the Spirit of God; if we’re not hearing anything from the Holy Spirit about our situation we can take the word of God and we can believe the word of God and use our faith to receive healing much like the woman with the issue of blood. “Daughter they faith has made you whole.” Because much like the man being let down to the roof in Luke 5 “And when He saw their faith.” So there are certain things then that we have to have faith in. And we talked about it on our Monday’s program Sid that we need to have faith first of all to be well and that God’s a giver. And that God gives you hands but the issue that we want to focus in on today is “What does God give the sick when hands are laid upon him?” What I’ve discovered is this Sid is that when most people when they step into a prayer line the number one thing that they are looking for is their manifestation. And so when they don’t get their manifestation then they walk away from the prayer line disappointed. It’s almost like a little boy you know at Christmas time he’s got his heart set on a BB-gun. Well when he doesn’t get his BB-gun he treats with disrespect what he does receive. The moment that you have hands laid upon you; the moment that that occurs in your life the healing power of God is administered to your body. What does God give to the sick?
Sid: And by the way I have to emphasize clearly; don’t listen through filtered lens on what Doug is about ready to say. There are those that are listening to us right now you have had hands laid on you by the greatest servants of God on the face of this earth. And everyone you walked away; you might have felt something; you might not have felt something but you walked away, you examined yourself, you saw that you were not healed and your faith level is -zero right now. Please listen.
Doug: You are exactly right; many people have become frustrated because they have misinterpreted what God gives to the sick when they’re prayed for. We thought that it’s been manifestation but what He gives to them is healing power. I can not, I can not testify to the amount of times that I heard Brother Hagin say these words just before he would lay hands on them. “The minute I lay my hands on upon you the healing power of God will be administered to your body but what you do with it after that is up to you.” And I thought to myself as I watched people walk away from that prayer line “They didn’t hear what Brother Hagin said.” He said “The moment I lay my hands upon you the healing power of God.” What does God give to the sick when hands are laid upon him?” He gives them healing power; now what I find interesting is that for the last 30 years we’ve had a tremendous display of God’s healing power being administered to people’s lives in prayer line after prayer line; after prayer line. I can’t tell you how many people we have seen fall under the power. They actually have had hands laid upon them and they fell on the floor as a result of the power of God. There are individuals today that have actually felt the healing power of God go into their bodies. I’ve heard people refer to it as just a warm feeling just went all over my body. I’ve heard other people say “It’s like electricity.” The healing power of God is being so administered to people’s lives that they’re falling out as a result of it; they’re feeling it coming into their bodies. There are actually ministers today who feel the power of God go out of their hands.
Sid: I can tell you as a fact I have prayed for many people and I know, that I know, that I know, that I know, that I know, that I know that they’re healed because I can feel the healing power of God going out of my hands into them and they’re not healed.
Doug: They’re not healed because see you have to Mark 11:24 says “You have to believe that you received; believe that you’ve received.
Sid: And we’re faked out because we believed it if the symptom has disappeared.
Doug: Yes we are; the healing power of God is what is administered first and we must believe that that healing power is administered to our bodies and then begin to release those beliefs with our words. And that power is given time for it to work within our bodies. The moment that the woman with issue of blood in Mark 5; the moment that she touched the hem of His garment it wasn’t a manifestation that came out Jesus’ body it was healing power. The Bible says in Mark chapter 5 in verse 30 “And Jesus immediately known himself that virtue (that word virtue is power) had gone out.” Well, what kind of power had gone out of Him, it had to had been healing power. Healing power is what went out of Him; healing power is what goes out of ministers hands when they lay hands upon them. Luke chapter 6 and verse 19 “And the whole multitudes sought to touch Him for there went virtue.” There went power out of Him “And healed them all.” Here again is another verse that tells us that what God gives to the sick is healing power. And then in Luke 5 in verse 17, and the power of the Lord was present to heal them. It’s very evident to me that we’ve got so focused on the manifestation that we ignore the healing power of God that’s administered to your body. Sid the instant our listeners have hands laid upon them the healing power of God is always administered to their bodies.
Sid: Okay, let’s assume that you have laid hands on me and I have a disease in my body.
Sid: And I haven’t felt a thing.
Doug: You don’t need to feel anything although some people do but you don’t have to feel anything.
Sid: I’m the only one in the line that did not fall over backwards.
Doug: That’s right, exactly right. The healing power of God is still administered and I’ll tell you how we can know that. In the Bible the Bible calls the word of God a seed. It’s likened into a seed in Luke and 1st Peter, the word of God is liken into a seed. If you know anything about seeds, if I had some corn seeds in my hands or some sunflower seeds, what you have in your hand is little suitcases. And little suitcases that contain life and power; life and power. That means then if the word of God is liken unto a seed then everyone. Sid listen “Oh, dear listeners listen; every promise within God’s word is filled with life and power. It’s like a seed, it’s a little container that has life and power within it. Everyone of God’s instructions has life and power contained within it. Now you know as well as I do that a seed, a corn seed or sunflower seed has to be planted in the ground and watered in order for the power within the seed to be released. Well, that’s natural seed; well what about the word of God that’s called a seed. What watering and planting is to corn seed, obedience is to God’s seeds. In other words the instant you obey a verse the power within the verse is released within your life. And so when you obey Mark chapter 16 verses 17 & 18 “That they shall lay hands upon the sick and shall recover.” The moment that you obey that verse the power within that verse is administered to your body, it’s released into your life.
Sid: But as you say it’s a seed not necessarily the plant.
Doug: That’s exactly right; now here’s the issue when Jesus said in Mark 11:23 “Whosoever shall say unto this mountain ‘Be thous removed and cast into the sea and shall not doubt in his heart but shall believe the things that thou say shall come to past; he shall have what-so-ever he saith.’” Sid He’s telling you and I to speak to our mountain and which in our case we’re talking about sickness here; so we’re talking about sickness. And you speak to your sickness according to Mark 11:23 you are administering power to your sickness. Now here’s the issue, the context of Mark 11:23, the scriptures that go before it is the fig tree. The fig tree was not an instantaneous manifestation. We know the story Jesus was traveling from Bethany to Jerusalem; got hungry one morning because as they were going to Jerusalem. Looked into the fig tree couldn’t find anything, stepped back spoke to it. Sid when He spoke to it that tree didn’t just shiver; because that tree just drop over dead. That tree stood there as alive as any tree that we see in our yard today. But He spoke to it; Jesus says “The Same thing that happens to that tree will the same thing that happens to your mountain when you speak to it. That means then that because that it was not an instantaneous manifestation then when you speak to your mountain in Mark chapter 11 verse 23 it’s not going to move that mountain immediately. But what’s going to happen is this a power is going to be administered and in this case the tree to the roots. And that tree; that power that Jesus administered through His spoken word worked in those roots.
Sid: Now what would you do, that was 24 hours it worked there. But what would you do if 3 years went by?
Doug: Well, first of all I would check up to make sure that I’m believing the right thing. Do I believe that it’s God’s will for me to be well. Am I maintaining…
Sid: Oh, we’re out of time we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast.
Sid: We want everyone everywhere to hear God’s voice; after all Jesus made a statement. It’s an absolute truth and this is what He said “My sheep hear My voice.” Richard Mull when you survey people that you speak before you ask the question “How many of you hear God’s voice on a regular basis?” What type of feedback are you getting?
Richard: Well, I ask a series of questions and when I get to that point on hearing God on a regular basis it doesn’t matter what denomination I’m speaking at it’s typically 90% or more don’t hear God on a regular basis.
Sid: That is awful; and as a matter of fact why is it in your opinion?
Richard: In my opinion it’s because no one is ever taught. I have a seminary degree and I never had one class on how to hear God.
Sid: Well, if you hadn’t had a class then for sure you weren’t teaching it.
Richard: That’s right.
Sid: But you know what I find interesting; you were saved at a young age at age 9 and at 13 some young people came to you and they asked a very important question. They asked you “What is God saying to you?” How did you respond?
Richard: I thought they were crazy I never heard anybody talk like that before and I thought their hearing voices. Because no one had ever said anything like that, I never heard God speak to me. I thought that they were hearing voices coming out of the clouds or something and it sounded crazy to me.
Sid: But at that young age of 13 you actually felt the presence of God! Explain.
Richard: I began to understand that what they meant was that they read their Bible every day and learned something about God from the Bible. And so I began to read the Bible every day and I began to pray because others were praying. And I wanted to fit in; I wanted to fit in with this youth group so I was just doing the things that everybody was doing. And one day while I was praying; I knew in my head that God was there and this day was different; I couldn’t see anybody in the room. There was no indentation on the bed next to me but his presence was that tangible. It was as if there was an indentation on the bed and for the first time I was like wow; do I get on my knees; do I lay flat what do I do because God is here; He’s really here.
Sid: Well, I’m told that when you would even pray people would see a difference in the way you pray as opposed to most people.
Richard: Yeah it was a buddy in seminary and others agreed they were like Richard when you pray it’s like God’s really here. And I looked at him so strange like “Yeah, of course!” I realized that most Christians it was a different type of exercise that they were talking to God hoping that He was there; hoping that He could hear them but not knowing it. And somehow as a 13 year old I just began to know He’s here.
Sid: Now why did you go to a seminary?
Richard: I wanted to go into ministry.
Sid: Did you believe God was directing you into ministry?
Richard: Yeah, yeah about a junior in High School and I’d always loved Science and Math and knew that’s what I was going to do with my life. But over about a year period of time I abandoned that call because I knew that there was nothing else I want to do then to win souls for Christ. And the two things I figured I would never do is write and preach. And those are my two favorite things now. But at the time I just wanted to win souls and serve God.
Sid: So you’re at this Baptist Bible College and you’re having discussions, reading books about the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues. What did you think about these apologetics against speaking in tongues?
Richard: I thought it was hog wash and I wanted to believe them. I wanted because that was my bent; that was my choice what I wanted to come clue. I already somehow had had that fed to me; I don’t remember having anybody talking a lot about it but I knew that it was bad stuff. But it was reading the theological works against tongues and looking up the scriptures for myself I realized that I realized that they didn’t have a leg to stand on they were twisting the scripture.
Sid: Give me one scripture that comes to mind.
Richard: They would taint 1 Corinthians 14 where Paul says “I would that you would all pray in tongues.” And they would say Paul was being sarcastic and Paul says “I pray in tongues more than all of you.” And they said again that trying to pull out from the Greek that he was being sarcastic because it was a church with problems and he was correcting the problems. If you read it for yourself without someone trying to twist an interpretation of that, you know Paul is exalted prophesy above tongues but giving tongues great value. I was from churches that didn’t believe in either. I’m going “This passage really messes with my background and my training. And rather than trying to twist scripture trying to fit my preference and my theological background and my experience I wanted to be true to scripture.
Sid: Okay, you’re in the Baptist College you’re in your dorm room you’re by yourself and you say a bold prayer. What was that prayer?
Richard: After realizing that tongues was a gift from God I said “I don’t want to reject any gift; if You want me to pray in tongues or have any other gifts I give you permission to do that.” And I immediately started praying in tongues.
Sid: Did you have doubts as you were doing this? Was this really God?
Richard: I did for a couple of years I would wrestle when I would pray in tongues. And it was actually a good buddy of mine; a believer from Israel was my best friend and we were in Seminary; or Bible College together. And he said “Richard, it’s when you’re praying that this happens; I know that when you’re praying you’re in God’s presence; why do you doubt it?” And I said “I don’t know,” I see it in scripture; all my theological training was against that but I could see through the arguments but at the same time because I could stop it I thought I must be doing this.
Sid: Okay, with all this theological training we’re you once instructed on how to hear God’s voice?
Richard: I remember one class where the professor talked about God speaking. And it was a psychology professor. And he said that there was only 4 scriptures in the Bible that people use to talk about God speaking. And it was a class of over 100 students and nobody says “You’re joking because there’s way more scriptures than that because most of us had never been taught anything. So everybody just sat there listening and he talked about examples of people that say “God led them to kill somebody,” or “God led them to divorce their spouse.” And you basically came to the conclusion that if anybody said “God spoke to them needs professional, psychological help. Took the 4 scriptures that he thought including Jesus’ Words “My sheep hear my voice,” and told us what they really meant. Now that I have the God’s Speaks Bible and God’s had me in there for so many years I realized that there are so many passages about God speaking and about God’s voice from Genesis to Revelation. How could anyone even say that and how could a group of seminary students not react to that statement?
Sid: Why do you have such a passion that every Bible believer hears God’s voice for themselves? Why do you have such a passion?
Richard: I believe that it’s the foundation that Jesus taught His disciples that He doesn’t give formulas. What He gave is that He said “I do nothing of my own initiative I only do what I see the Father doing.” And I think the foundation of discipleship Jesus was teaching His followers to be dialed into the Father; to know His voice; to hear Him and to be led by the Spirit of God. And there’s nothing that’s impacted my Christian life more. There’s nothing that makes me more effective; I’ve learned a lot and I’ve done a lot of healing ministry. And I could do it by rote; I could do it by experience but I have learned that the most powerful breakthroughs happen when I check all of my experience; all of my knowledge of scriptures at the door and put the Holy Spirit in charge and listen to what He says. Most of the time He surprised me and He takes me in a direction that wasn’t on my radar screen that my training wouldn’t have provided for me and He deals with things so much faster and better than I could if I operate out of my knowledge.
Sid: Okay, in your opinion can any true Bible believer hear God as clearly as you do?
Richard: I believe they have to.
Sid: Especially with what’s about ready to come on planet earth.
Richard: Yes, we have to hear God.
Sid: Okay God Speaks Bible; learn to hear God. You’ve color codes this with such things as every time God speaks; every miracle. Literally when the translation I’m not that familiar with it but I do know that it’s a solid translation. But I love this translation it’s the New English Translation. And you have every miracle in one color; every time there was an angel in one color. It’s color coded you have a beautiful laminated bookmark so that when the see the code they know what it is and it is his intent that as you read the Word you become impregnated with everything supernatural in the Bible. And then the workbook, I love it, it’s a four week course so that that someone will be able to hear God’s voice. Now we’re making the Bible and it’s an imitation leather, but I love it and very very readable print. And perhaps you’re looking to start getting back into the Bible how would you like everything supernatural highlighted and depending on what it is in different colors. And as you read it that means mediate on that; get that word inside of you.