Sid: I have a guest Dave Roberson I’m speaking to him at his office in Tulsa, Oklahoma where’s he’s Senior Pastor of The Family Prayer Center. We’re talking about his new book it is a must must book. Some of you are in a crisis some of you are in you feel like you’re treading water. You’ve hit a break wall and you want to get busted out to the next place with God. This book is going to do it for you… “The Walk of the Spirit and the Walk of Power.”
Dave I want you to pray for everyone that has never been baptized in the Holy Spirit or been baptized in the Holy Spirit and never spoken in tongues or even the people that were baptized in the Holy Spirit but haven’t been praying in tongues and a fresh impartation and anything else God directs you to do.
Dave: Alright I’m excited because the last time an India they said it was 4000 preachers to receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and began to speak with tongues 4000.
Sid: Imagine how that’s going to affect India.
Dave: Oh my and I remember one boy was born…he was 11 years old and he had no teeth in his head because his jaw bones didn’t have seeds for teeth. And there was about 200 Hindu’s that gathered around him when the mother screamed. And then in 12 minutes his teeth had grown in.
Dave: And in 12 minutes it they got saved. Any way 4000 preachers received and if you’ll listen to me you what that want the Holy Spirit and want to speak with tongues. And you that have Him can and want to speak with tongues you that haven’t spoken awhile and it seems difficult to you. If you’ll listen to me closely in these next few moments and yield yourself over and you will be speaking with tongues right where you’re at He’s going to come on you and He’s going to rise up within you and that language is going to pour out of you. See when I was born again I was translated out of darkness into the Kingdom of Light and His Son. My spirit literally received His nature and when I did God didn’t send me an angel although they’re with me and with you and their Ministering Spirit. But God didn’t trust you to an angel now that you have His nature He trusted you to the Third Person of the Godhead the precious Holy Spirit and He sent Him to step on the inside of you and become to you what no man can give you. He is the instructor of your new nature and the teacher of your wisdom in that new nature. He sent the Holy Spirit, who did He trust you to when you become a son of God but the Holy Spirit. So when you are baptized and He steps into you the difference is when you were born again that happened to your human spirit He became part of you. You’re an individual that become part of your nature. The Holy Spirit is another person He steps into your spirit in baptism all the way from heaven He brings with him a supernatural language the language from heaven and He brought it with Him. Because the moment He steps into you that very moment He baptizes you He wants to begin to pray for you in that supernatural language that my friend it will change your life. Now if you’ll follow me closely I was just like you I was first born again I didn’t have the Holy Spirit and somebody laid their hand on me and prayed for me. I felt something come over me all of a sudden my mouth stated quivering trying to shape words I didn’t know what was happening to me. Well what happened to me was what’s going to happen to you the moment I prayed the Holy Spirit stepped inside of me. What He began to do in the depth of my spirit was create that supernatural language in my spirit. But the moment He creates it in your spirit my friend to complete the circuit of prayer He will shape the words with your mouth, with your tongue that He’s creating in your spirit. I didn’t know what was happening to my mouth it was trying to shape words. A saint looked at me and she said “He’s got stammering lips.” And she’s right because my mouth was trying to shape that beautiful language He was speaking in my spirit but I wouldn’t yield over. I was afraid but finally when I did yield over and I spoke that first word that my mouth was shaping like a ciphering hose another word come up out of my spirit and another one and another one until the whole language began to pour out of me. And He’s been praying for me ever since and my life has not been the same but if you’ll listen to me closely right now right where you’re at even if you’re driving it doesn’t matter right where you’re at in your front room, driving all you have to do is say this after me. Say Holy Spirit
Sid: Holy Spirit
Dave: I invite You into my life.
Sid: I invite You into my life.
Dave: Fill me.
Sid: Fill me.
Dave: And pray for me with that supernatural language.
Sid: And pray for me with that supernatural language.
Dave: I now yield myself over to You.
Sid: I now yield myself over to You.
Dave: Fill me with the Holy Spirit.
Sid: Fill me with the Holy Spirit.
Dave: I now receive
Sid: I now receive
Dave: the supernatural language of tongues.
Sid: the supernatural language of tongues.
Dave: Now my friend notice that your tongue is beginning to shape that language. Notice your mouth is beginning to form the words all you have to do right now is to yield over. Don’t speak any English or any language that you know out of your mind this new language comes from your spirit so give your tongue over.
Sid: But I don’t know what to say.
Dave: Just yield over and He will shape the word all you have to do is give your voice to what your tongue and mouth is shaping and you will notice Him begin to take it over with power and it will get stronger and stronger. (Praying in tongues.)
Sid: (Praying in tongues)
Dave: And I’m sure there’s many being filled now. That’s it just yield yourself over.
Sid: It feels almost like the Holy Spirit is raining on me right now even though I’ve been baptized in the Holy Spirit for many years it’s almost like I’m in a river of God’ Spirit. And in that river I heard that people are being physically healed right now. There’s someone that had pain in their neck and they are healed. In their…there’s someone that had no hope and I don’t understand this but hopelessness has left I guess it must be the anointing Dave.
Dave: Sure lately He’s been doing that in our services the grace that reaches in a person’s spirit makes adjustments you know so strong that people have been so healed and encouraged that hopelessness is…
Sid: Would you pray for people’s teeth?
Dave: Oh yes! You have crocked teeth, rotten teeth, cavities, gum problems, TMJ Jaw I don’t care just get ready. Oh Sid He’s flowing already.
Dave: Yes Sir He’s flowing already and some of your are receiving the supernatural manifestation your rotten cavities are filling up with gold and silver some He does with silver. Some He restores with enamel gum diseases and the TMJ Jaw and the straightening of the teeth. O Holy Spirit flow and in Jesus name Your released to do this. Flow Holy Spirit with your glory and Your power and do these creative miracles in people’s teeth. And Father I worship You and thank You for this in Jesus name. A back also Sid O see something in the back.
Sid: I’m hearing the word spine.
Dave: Yes some steel or something and it’s in the same creative line as the teeth but only this time He removes He removes. There’s some steel in somebody’s back I just saw it and You’re doing something there a miracle hallelujah.
O Sid that despair feeling and hopeless feeling I feel so many people that feel like the end of the rope like you said. I can still feel that flowing so strong. Recently I entered into a peace I didn’t know existed the sower can overtake the reaper because its resident in me right now you can harvest what took me 20 years to get. Right now the peace of Jesus surpasses all understanding.
Sid: Quickly scurry that in.
Dave: Right now be healed in Jesus name be healed.
Sid: In Jesus name.
Sid: This is one of these weeks because it’s the week Friday and Saturday its Shavuot Pentecost the outpouring of God’s Spirit. And my guest Dave Roberson he’s Senior Pastor of The Family Prayer Center in Tulsa, Oklahoma. And Dave right before we went on the air he talked about several Indians from India that you have been teaching about praying in tongues and walking in the Spirit and what happened in their ministries?
Dave: They have the 4th and the 5th and the 6th there’s 3 of them at this point largest ministries in India.
Sid: What caused their ministries to get so large?
Dave: They got a hold of the tapes and the tapes that I had taught on the walk of the Spirit, the walk of power and not near as in detail as the book that you’re offering at the end of program “The Walk of the Spirit the Walk of Power” but enough to launch them in. And you have to understand that the Indian ministry over there they have nothing to lose you know they don’t have the same distraction. When I preached this and they saw it for truth they jumped all of the way in. And begin to spend hours a day and now my friend just called me we nicked named him Rambo he’s Dave Rambo who from England I just talked to him last night. A woman England they’re packed out they’re running it in their newspapers now. A woman 87 years old had been in a wheelchair for 38 and just walked out of the wheelchair at his meeting.
Sid: Hm. So you know a lot of people say “Well we see these miracles in India but we don’t see it in the United States or England.” Dave do you see these miracles in the United States?
Dave: Yes Sir I see miracles like that often and this was in England that miracle my friend Rambo. But yes yes I see oh let me see the last time I was in Palm Springs with Norville I was in a Camp meeting. And let’s see there was Norville and Tim Story was there and was a doctor there that’s why I remember this one in particular.
Sid: This was Norville Hayes but go ahead.
Dave: Yes and I was there ministering and the service I ministered He filled some people’s teeth with gold. And so there were big overlays of gold and so when they showed the gold and of course you know Norville got excited he wanted to see it and he run over and looked and the doctor came up and checked her out. And then Tim Story he even jumped up you know and run over and he looked into their mouth to see all of these tremendous gold overlays like that. And yes I just finished our conference this March and nobody that came in Sid nobody that came into our conference left with the braces and crutches they came in with it was our first conference that ever happened.
Sid: Katherine Kuhlman used to share and I’ve repeated this on the air that she’s prophesied a day is coming in which Christians will go into hospitals and clear the whole hospital out of the sick. Do you see that day coming Dave?
Dave: I do and I believe it there’s a realm that I just recently made it through from praying in tongues and going from glory to glory. And where I used to operate that happened where I would go out and my senses would be put on the side and an anointing would come. But now Sid this next realm of glory through praying in tongues and worship that He’s brought me to it seems that my spirit is just a second away from Him. And its closer to a hospital bed anointing than I’d ever seen. Any way these people come in on crutches and neck braces and back braces all of them pealed them off and left them they walked out in this particular meeting.
Sid: Dave there are people listen to us right now and they say “Yes I know tongues are for today and yes I believe it’s for everyone and I’ve asked God and nothing’s happened what are some of the obstacles of speaking in unknown tongues?
Dave: As you know you mean from receiving.
Sid: Yes from receiving yes.
Dave: Operating in the gift as you know strongholds consist of imaginations. And he said this “Out weapons are mighty through God that of casting down the strongholds or pulling down, casting down imaginations.” An imagination is a system of thoughts which is empowered by emotions so many many people that can’t receive and the most that we’ve had the most trouble with is people that will have a stronghold built in them from a system of thoughts that they received from teaching. Now it isn’t that they’re not filled when they ask and we pray for them but many times that stronghold exists between Him coming in and the block that He puts in their mind from them receiving Him and that block stops them.
Sid: How do you get rid of the block? How do you even really know what the block is?
Dave: Well a lot of times it is that the reasonings that was taught into them against it. And so they ask Him to come in and He will but they just can’t get it out of their minds so they set up a block and they won’t let the tongues come through. So that’s that is one and another an another stronghold is if you’ve ever been in any kind of witchcraft or anything that sometimes that devil will be set up in such a way in them that he will try to remain in the stronghold to block them from receiving after they’re saved.
Sid: And of course many the people say they’re listening say “I’ve never been involved with the devil but they’ve been in what God calls abominations like New Age like a necromancing communicating with the dead, channeling, going to fortune tellers, calling the physic hotline would anything that simple cause a block?
Dave: It can.
Sid: So what do they do about it?
Dave: Well then then they can pray they themselves can pray but it’s good to go with some saints that pray a lot. And then they can literally bind that devil, bind him and force him to turn loose in the name of Jesus and when they do he turns loose. Then that block will be removed and they’ll give themselves over then and they’ll be able to receive the Holy Spirit.
Sid: My experience is that it is the same that all you need to do is repent because it was sin and tell God you’re sorry.
Sid: And ask to be set free from anything you’ve opened yourself up to in Jesus name. On tomorrow’s broadcast Dave I want you to pray for people to receive the infilling of the Holy Spirit the baptism of the Holy Spirit, speaking in unknown tongues and even as God directs healing. I believe that it’s as affective you speaking over the radio even as someone being in person because I can tell you just in the interview we’re doing right now there’s a river of God’s Spirit that is all around me and all around everyone listening whether they sense it or not it’s there. Dave is there any reason why any born again Christian cannot receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit if they want to?
Dave: There’s no reason Sid they can receive it the moment they were born again if they could have give themselves to it.
Sid: Well what kind of feedback are you getting from people that are reading your book “The Walk of the Spirit the Walk of Power”?
Dave: Sid it’s a run away even individuals are buying cases for their friends and the feedback even people that are not filled that are reading it it’s filling their Spirits up with so much faith. And it’s pulling down every stronghold it’s just receiving in their car and their going about their business He’s been falling on them and they’ve been talking with tongues.
Sid: Tell me one specific person that’s read the book that gave you a testimony.
Dave: There was a woman that had been really messed up in witchcraft and things and she had been trying to receive and she came down to the conference and gave her testimony. And Sid if you can believe this she was so thirsty for the Spirit she read it 6 times in one week. It filled her up so much with faith that when she had finished reading it that she just just gone about her business I don’t know what she was doing but she just lifted her hands so full of faith that He just busted out of her in the most fluent tongues you ever heard. And so it’s been she’s on the way to power now.
Sid: Now let me ask you a question that’s crossed my mind there are some people when they pray the call it warfare and they get really angry and scream and shout in tongues and other people just go very normal almost in a monotone is some of that flesh or is it the Holy Spirit causing them to pray that way?
Dave: I think most of it is flesh Sid because He said “He that prays in unknown tongue speaks not unto men but unto God.” You’re not talking to men you’re not talking to devils either this isn’t a tongue to be interpreted this is a tongue for your own edification and you can whisper that and be at a fight. Now there is an intercession one of the diversities of tongues that talked about the groaning that is also not talking to devils. That is going out and causing you to stand in the place of people on the path trying to get to hell and they would but your prayers are stopping them. So…
Sid: How important is praying in tongues for the unsaved for you if you have unsaved relatives?
Dave: Oh Sid when your heart no you can’t stand it that the lost is lost your loved ones he picks up on your heart. He prays the compassion of your heart that’s why you can’t direct Him He prays that compassion. And boy you talk about a story my bothers and sisters coming it that’s a story (Laughing) hallelujah.
Sid: In your own family you mean?
Dave: Yes my brother just came to visit he never went back after being a policeman 20 years hardened he just come to visit. He got saved he never went home he moved his family up he’s preaching now it’s been 2 years.
Sid: Now the Bible talks about deception in the last days how does praying in tongues protect you from this deception does it refine your discernment?
Dave: It’s an inoculation against deception. Because John said “Concerning those that seduce you have no need that any man teach you.” He says that “The truth that abides in you and the anointing cannot lie.” So when you pray in tongues your praying the mysteries of Christ “He speaketh mysteries” He said in tongues. And when these mysteries go off in your spirit then it cleanses you from what the Bible says “All filtiness of flesh and spirit.”
Sid: Dave we’re out of time today.
Sid: This week is Shavuot otherwise known as Pentecost its Friday and Saturday. And you’re going to have your own Pentecost your own Shavuot this week because all of this week and today is no exception there is a river of God’s Spirit coming over the airways. I have on the telephone Dave Roberson. Dave is the Senior Pastor of The Family Prayer Center in Tulsa, Oklahoma. I’m talking to him about his new book “The Walk of the Spirit the Walk of Power” and the vital role of praying in tongues. You will find out benefits from that God has for you from praying in tongues that I believe that you’ve never even contemplated before. For instance Dave most of the people listening to us know what they’ve read in the Bible about the benefits of praying in tongues. They know that it edifies, they know that it builds them up but what they don’t know is how it gets rid of the actual roots of sin in their lives. Explain this.
Dave: Okay well Sid as you know my past as Ultra Ultra Holiness and we had a doctrine of saved, sanctified and then filled with the Holy Ghost. And so first you had to be saved and then sanctified of course the separation from the world and from sin then that qualified you to receive the Holy Spirit. So let me get this straight now I get saved and then I need to quit sinning. I need to get sanctified and then I need to receive the Holy Spirit because I’ll get good enough. But see Roman’s 8:13 says that “It’s thru the Spirit that you mortify the deeds of the body.” See they wanted me to get good enough to get the Holy Spirit. Where actually I needed the Holy Spirit…
Sid: To get good enough (Laughing.)
Dave: To get good enough with. So see there’s a vast difference between will worship and mortification. Will worship is when I use all extreme discipline to discipline myself against the problem.
Sid: Let’s take an example let’s say losing weight most people can relate to that. Show me how to do it in the flesh and how to do it in the Spirit.
Dave: Alright. In losing weight you make your New Year’s resolutions and to me I had a pipe I was trying to throw away and he mortified me finally. But we’ll make a New Year’s resolution and say I want to lose 100 pounds and we use our will and everything to discipline ourselves and maintain a high level of discipline until usually the strongholds, the emotions whatever involved overtakes us and we fall back into the same pattern again. Well there’s a big difference between that kind of will worship and when the Lord helps you. For will worship again is when you extremely discipline yourself against a problem. But mortification is when the Holy Spirit is allowed to rise up on the inside of you and He will destroy the hold that the problem has over you. And this is from praying in tongues and when you begin to pray in tongues the first thing He will do in the edification process is He will He’ll single those things out or single those things out that are the strongholds between you and Him.
Sid: Is it possible to pray in tongues and just not be obedient when God points these things out?
Dave: Not really Sid because this is what He toke the understanding of the language away from you during the hours you prayed. Because sometimes if we knew what we was praying we would stop but He will go for the root of the problem. Such as sometimes we think like well I’m going to pray in tongues for a new car. And we try to direct it and where God thinks that a guy should quit yelling at his wife.
Dave: He thinking he’s needing a new car and God’s going for the root of the problem He thinks he should quit yelling at his wife. But here’s the thing Sid the reason if you took the understanding of the language away from the person when they spend those hours in prayer its because first He builds you up on your most holy faith or in the edification process.
Sid: What does that mean exactly build you up?
Dave: All right He’ll build you up on your most holy faith or in other words He will take your spirit and begin to build it up and build it up and the understanding of God’s word in the mysteries. He will build you up and up to finally you’ll build yourself up above that problem. And when you do He’ll let you turn around and look at the problem through His eyes. And when you build yourself up above it then you also have the strength in the Spirit and the power and the faith to mortify it or move it out of your body. Or out of your life or out of the habitual realm. So here you’re looking at this hideous problem and you’re seeing it now with God’s eyes and you hate it with a bold faith. And God says “Good because when you didn’t care or you were weak and you loved your problem what did I have to work with? But now that you build yourself up above it you have the faith that you need to move it out of your life.” And that’s what He means when He says building yourself up on your most holy faith keeping yourself in the love of God in Jude 20 and 21.
Sid: You talk in your book about many prayer groups actually fail because people start praying in tongues and they think they’re praying the problem but they’re really praying for what has a higher priority in their life explain that.
Dave: Let’s just say that if the love of money the root of all evil had a hold of a person very severely in fact it was his master and he would serve it before God. So he hears about edification and he thinks it’s just going to build him up in God and leave the rest of his life alone. So all of a sudden it starts building him up building up and he starts getting a look at money for what it is when it’s replacing God. So he starts not liking those feelings he started to get because he loves money more. So he will either else to into a war that will cause him that he’ll have to stop praying in tongues or he will let the Holy Spirit bring money into its proper perspective and let God be first but you can’t do both. Because if you keep praying in tongues you eventually everything between you and God will be mortified everything.
Sid: So in effect the way for a carnal Christian to get out of carnality is praying in unknown tongues.
Dave: Just get stubborn about it and start about an hour a day in your car anywhere.
Sid: Now what with you you shut yourself away in a closet so to speak but is it just as valuable praying as your driving down the highway in tongues as if it’s in a room by yourself with nice music in the background?
Dave: It is Sid because again that’s why He took the understanding away because He’s creating the perfect prayer. The only thing He needs from you is the authority that’s in your spirit when He passes it through you. That’s all He needs from you not your mind.
Sid: But how do you overcome the flesh that says “I am tired of this I would rather zone out and watch something on television, watch a sporting event, watch some current events. How do you I mean the flesh would rather do anything but pray in tongues.
Dave: If you will keep this in mind that you just give yourself an hour or 2 a day and just an hour when you’re running around doing business and things. That if you won’t give up on that hour it will start changing you in the Spirit to where your heart rejoices in drawing closer to God and when things are mortified they lose their hold over you because that’s where the fight is. When they lose their hold they’re replaced with peace so that isn’t the same kind of fight. The devil will try to tell you it will always be that way it won’t they’ll be a day when it’s a delight to walk into Him and do anything that He wants.
Sid: How does this affect hearing God’s voice?
Dave: Oh my when you stay in there and let Him pour that supernatural language through your spirit. It will do nothing but tune you up I mean that place the tongues comes from in your spirit the place the Holy Spirit speaks those tongues literally in your spirit is the ear of your spirit. The Holy Spirit can also bring English through that same channel or an inner witness. So it will do nothing but make it much more acute it will tune you up.
Sid: So those that are listening right now to us and are wasting a lot of time be it while they drive be it at night zoning out on television if they were to make the switch and spend that time praying in tongues really and truly what difference is it going to make?
Dave: (Laughing) the difference Sid I didn’t think I could have any more peace until I went from one realm to another. When the Holy Spirit will bring them from glory to glory serving Him is so much life every moment is full and the peace is unspeakable. Now I’m 27 years in ministry now and I’m not burning out I’m burning in I can’t wait for each moment I can’t wait. He’ll take you from glory to glory into places in God you didn’t know existed just because you’re letting God the Holy Spirit pray for you.
Sid: And it’s possible to miss this right.
Dave: You can miss it you can miss it. I mean the devil it would how could I say it Sid his primary objective is to keep you from drawing closer to God and this is a major key. So what is he going to discredit, what is he going to keep you from finding out about? It is possible to miss it.
Sid: How long will it take for someone to see a difference in their life if they take if they do what you said take an hour a day to pray in tongues?
Dave: If they’ll be faithful for just a couple of months it will change them enough inside where they won’t want to stop.
Sid: I’ve been interviewing all this week Nita Johnson she’s a prophetess she’s the head of the World for Jesus Ministries I’m speaking to her at her home in Fresno, California. And Nita has been talking about things that God’s preparing her heart and has been preparing her heart for her whole life and it’s all coming into a Christian though. The fate of America, the fate of every nation in the world is about ready to be tested on the plumb-line. The plumb line is Israel Nita explain this testing.
Nita: It’s like all of the scriptures are going to culminate in this one issue whether or not a nation turns in their heart to Israel or whether or not a man turns in his heart towards Israel or whether or not a church turns in his heart towards Israel. It’s like you said “Israel is going to be the plumb line by which all will be judged. And know that as a Gentile Christian that is very very hard to hear but it is never-the-less true. And if we had time we could go through many scriptures that speak on this issue. It is going to occur Israel has been called and created and set aside since the beginning to be this plumb line in the nations. And so as the days progress and nations make decisions for or against Israel. We will see that either the glory of the Lord will fall upon that nation for embracing Israel or that what glory would have come will be withheld.
Sid: Nita let me just interject just one specific scripture that’s coming to mind that back up what you’re saying Genesis 12:3 that says “I will bless those who bless the Jewish people and curse those who curse them.” But Matthew 25 talks exactly about what you’re saying. “The separation of nations as a shepherd separates goat and sheep there will be goat nations and sheep nations. There will be goat churches and sheep churches. And this is the single issue the Messiah says the separation will be over it’s found in Matthew 25:40 He’s saying “As much as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren you did it to me.” And yes He does talk about the hungry and the thirsty and the stranger and that is true but the word brethren in the Greek means “From the womb.” So literally is what He’s saying is “What you have done to the least of these my brethren from the womb (The Jewish people) and nations will be separated.” That is found in Matthew 25.
Nita: I’ll go one step further than that Sid because the Lord gave me that same revelation earlier this year that when He is speaking of visiting the prisoners and visiting the hungry and so on and so forth ministering to the blind. Who is more blind than His servant Israel He said that Himself.
Nita: The prisoner is Israel who is locked in the bondage of darkness from his Messiah. And so everything that He says in that chapter He is dealing with Israel as Israel’s fate in the last days. And so it is it’s the perfect picture of what is going to take place there’s going to be a separation as a nation embraces Israel there will be blessing. If it rejects Israel then the blessings that would have been will be removed. Likewise if a church an individual church accepts and embraces Israel and the Jewish people there will be multiplied blessings that will come upon that church. Blessings of the shekina, blessings of the covenant, blessings of the Father there will be multiplied blessings.
Sid: You talked about earlier off the air something called a Ruth Covenant what did you mean by that?
Nita: When Ruth came to a decision a point of decision in her life regarding Naomi she said to Naomi “You’re people will be my people, your God will be my God.” And she even said that “Let not even death separate us.” That was her heart she was her heart was for the Jewish people unto death, her heart was for the Jewish people unto death. And the Lord is right now calling the Christian to that kind of heart. And He is judging what he is ultimately going to do in respect to every Christian by whether or not they make that Ruth covenant to the Jewish person that your people will be my people to the Jewish person that your God will be my God let not even death separate us. So as we’re going into a time of holocaust, international holocaust, to the Christian that says “I will not even let the death of Holocaust separate us I will in fact give my life for you if they come after you they’re going to have to come through me to get to you.” As we make that kind of covenant with the Jewish people then we’re going to receive the same kind of blessing that Ruth received. And Ruth was lifted up as a mother in Israel Ruth was in the linage of Christ. This woman went from basically no blessings to a woman of such great blessings that she is in the Bible and her life was totally transformed by that covenant. And so in the same respect the Lord is going to give life transforming blessings to the Christian who will make that covenant with the Jewish people. Secondly to the church to the gathering or the fellowship of the believers if a church rejects the Jewish person or rejects Israel or will not stand in the gap on behalf of Israel during this time God will lift His glory He will utterly remove it. And all of the blessings that church would have had opportunities to answer the call that God created that church to fulfill will be removed He will do this. And He will do this as a decision is made whether it’s prior to the holocaust or going into the holocaust. Stances that we make in these last days are going to determine who is going to be under the super abundant flow of His glory in His last great move of God and who will not be. And so it filters down into the individual nations to the church at large and to the individual. God is going to touch every human being on the face of this earth with judgment or with mercy and glory depending upon where they stand with respect to Israel.
Sid: Now what would you do Nita and you were in a church that was into replacement be it some thinking that they’re the lost tribes of Israel or the other types of replacement thinking that the church has replaced Israel?
Nita: I know that this is going to provoke a very strong response what I’m going to say Sid, but I have been before the presence of the Father and I had been before the presence of the Lord Jesus Christ both in heaven and on earth and I know their heart because they have expressed it to me. If I were in a church that teaches replacement theology I would first of all repent and then move out of the church because the acts of God’s judgment is going to fall upon that congregation. The people who are replacing Israel by stating that they are in fact the Lost Tribes of Israel you’re not going to find the blessings of God on that no matter how much that movement seems to be parading in the church right now and seems to be carrying with it a great blessing. The day will come that you will see that the hand of God is not for you but against you. He is not interested in replacing Israel with the believer. He is interested in uniting into one man His people Israel and the Gentile nations.
Sid: What if you’re not into replacement but you don’t have compassion for the Jew in Israel?
Nita: Again that scripture that you and I have mentioned several times during the broadcast about “blessings those that bless Israel and curing those that curse Israel” the implication in that scripture if you were to study that out in the Hebrew is you have even a relative disregard so if you just take the stance of apathy against Israel will curse you. You bring upon your own head not the blessings of the Father but the curses. People will say “But that ended when Messiah was crucified.” No it did not end when Messiah was crucified the word of the Lord is eternal it has eternal effects and people families families who stood against the Jewish people in the Holocaust if there has not been a generational repentance of that families even now are moving under the curses of the Lord even as Christians curses that would be removed any blessings sustained if there would be repentance for the sins of the forefathers. The Old Covenant truth is as vital for today as it was prior to Messiah coming and giving His life for the world. And so not even a stance of apathy is acceptable to the Lord He taught us very clearly that if we are not in active aggressive stance to obey the word and to embrace it with all of our heart walking it out that we are agreeing with those who are against the word. There’s no such…
Sid: Nita we’re out of time.
Sid: My guest by way of telephone I’m speaking to her at her home in Fresno, California is the leader of the World for Jesus Ministries Nita Johnson. She’s a prophetess from a very young age God began to show here the future for America and she began to warn Christians wherever she could go. And we have passed the point of no return we can only forth stall judgment we can’t eliminate judgment the Lord showed her. On yesterday’s broadcast Nita has been interviewing holocaust survivors for a book that she’s working on. And she asked a very interesting question to an elderly Jewish holocaust survivor, review that question again Nita.
Nita: I asked him I said, “Robbie what do you think would have happened had the church stood up on behalf of the Jewish people during the holocaust or prior to the event of the holocaust?” And he thought for a moment and tears began to fall down his eyes and he said to me “There would have never been a holocaust.” He said “Hitler… it seemed as though Hitler was invincible and that he did not care what anyone thought.” But the truth is he was very much a coward and if the church would have stood up on behalf of the Jewish people in the very inception of what he was doing not even Hitler would have Now that’s a pretty heavy thing to lay at the feet of the church. And I know that it’s a heavy thing to receive but…
Sid: But you know I’ve taught I don’t know if I’ve ever discussed this with you but I find it very interesting in the book of Esther which I believe is a very prophetic end-time book that there were 2 banquets in which Esther went to the king on behalf of the Jewish people. The first time she for reasons that are not revealed in the book she didn’t stand up for the Jew but the second time she did and I’m just wondering is it as if that first banquet was like the first church had a chance during the holocaust to stand up for the Jew and unite and we failed, but there’s another banquet coming up.
Nita: That is a very powerful insight Sid very powerful and it’s true the church has not stood up for the Jewish person for 2000 years. For whatever the reason it hasn’t occurred and in fact most of what has been done against the Jewish people has been done in the name of God and in the name of Messiah. And it has left the Jew…this is how the Jew perceives the church. As I’ve interviewed the holocaust survivors for this book that I’m writing it has been unanimous what I’ve been hearing from them and this is how they perceive the church that we come to them with a cross extended our extended and a cross in our hands saying “You accept this and you accept our Messiah or we will kill your babies, we will burn your synagogues, and we will destroy your families from off the face of the face of the earth.” Now I’m sure that most of the people that are listening today do not have that kind of heart but that is the heart that has been presented to the Jewish people.
Sid: And I can tell you as a Jew that is the perception that I had before I became a believer in the Messiah that Christians really are your enemies.
Nita: That’s how they feel. So as I have shared with them for instance what is taking place up in Canada what I have myself been doing for the last 2 years in America. And now the compilation of these biographies to present to present to the church to help the church to help the church understand not that 6 million Jews died in the Holocaust but what the 6 million people endured on a personal level. So we take it out of numbers and bring it down into a more intimate reality with the minds of the readers. And as I have shared with them my heart and heart of a growing concern of Christians I have talking a about full grown men who have been very very successful in this life financially will sit there and weep and say to me “I can’t believe that a Christian cares about me as a Jew this is unbelievable to me I can’t hardly contain it in my heart what you’re saying.” They do not see Christians as lovers of the Jewish people. Just as you said they see them as their enemies. And so the Lord wants to bring the issue back to where it belongs and that is a Messiah issue either a Jewish individual will see the Messiah and receive Him or they won’t but it is no longer a church issue that they can’t even see the Messiah for the pain in their hearts towards the church. And so to heal relationships in the church and among the Jewish people so they can make an honest decision in their heart regarding the Messiah. You see it’s hard to be a Jew, I’m Jewish as you know, and it’s hard to be a Jew and to think of Christians supposedly serving the Jewish Messiah and yet hating Jews. It’s like there’s a logic that’s missing and they can’t understand it they can’t comprehend it. And so the only way that they can deal with it is to refuse to believe that this Jewish Messiah the Christian is serving is real and is of any value so they reject the Messiah for the sake of the church. And so what the Lord wants to do is to bring the church back around to see Israel and the Jewish people though His own eyes and to see His love, His care and His concern, His delight in them, His desire to bring them close to His bosom and to deliver them from every enemy according to the 1st chapter of Luke so that they can worship Him in holiness and the only way we can do that is to heal relationships between the Christian and the Jewish community so that they can begin to see the Christian not as an enemy but as a friend. Now the other benefit of this it’s not only going to be in our reaching out in divine love to the Jewish Community we’re going to prepare an atmosphere where our hearts can melt and they can be prepared for the revelation of Messiah. Not only are we going to that to just loving them but we’re going to bring upon head the blessing that was promised clear back in the days of Abraham when the Lord said “Those who bless you I will bless, those who curse you I will curse.” And so the church then will come into a panorama of glory that she has never known before because of turning her heart back to Israel. It’s interesting that these prophets of old still carry that mantle that brings about decisions in the Father’s heart and they will until the Father brings everything to the end at the very end of day. Gifts and callings are without repentance Sid and we can’t neglect the fact that the Jewish people have been called to be a prophet to the nations.
Sid: Paint me a picture what the glory will be like on the church that stands up for the Jew in Israel and now you’re telling about anyone can do in good times, but I mean when this International type of Holocaust is going on and people hate the Jew it’s going to only take someone that has the Spirit of God that would be able to stand up for the Jew under those times.
Nita: That’s right and they will bear a glory that no other Christian will bear they will bear the hand of the miraculous. You want to see the multiplication of the bread and the fishes?
Sid: Of course.
Nita: Stand up for the Jewish person when the Holocaust is sweeping across the nations.
Sid: But will there be Christians like Corry Ten Boone? Will there be Christians that will be martyrs? Will there be safe houses like we had in the days of slavery where Christians would hide Jews are those days coming?
Nita: There will be both but there will be the Daniel type of escapes and there will those who give their lives for the Jewish people. And both will bear tremendous blessings and a harvest of wonderful things in heaven. But there will be those who today in this life that are going to experience the blessings of the Father in ways that they have never known in miraculous ways for aiding the Jewish people in this time of the Holocaust. There will always be the martyrs in every generation and there needs to be. There will be… there will be so many souls that will be saved through the Jewish people when they see a Christian giving their life for them so that nothing else can touch I mean you can’t touch their heart in any other way because it has been too much of the reverse that has occurred for too many generations. And so when they see that kind of love coming from a Christian it’s going to open up the eyes of many many Jews not just the one that you’re giving your life for but that Jewish family that Jewish community it’s going to make a strong statement. But on the other side of it there will be these great blessings that will come down from heaven the multiplication of material things in order to help these Jewish folds escape and into a place of safety and a haven.
Sid: I think the greatest wealth that has ever been put into the hands of Christians is about ready to occur and it will be contingent to your heart for the Jew in Israel.