Jan:  Well Sid, in 1961 when I was born as a result of my Mom undergoing treatment to treat a thyroid condition she was receiving radiation treatment.  She conceived me and when I was born, as a result of that I had what doctors called an elongated tongue.  And that’s just a medical term that means I was born with a tongue twice as long as normal, twice as wide as normal and twice as thick.

Sid:  Now I researched that on the internet and that was not such a unique thing, it’s happened to many people;  it must have been a horrible horrible embarrassment as you got older.

Jan:  Oh, it was and the enemy made sure that even though I raised in a Christian home, a religious home, not understanding a relationship with the Lord, the enemy blinded my eyes to think that God had done this to me to punish me.  So even though I was raised in church I had a wall of separation between me and the Lord because I thought this was His punishment to me.

Sid:  And by the way, from an investigative viewpoint we have a picture of her with the elongated tongue as a baby.  When did you first realize that God could heal you?

Jan:  Well, it wasn’t until my senior year, I was seventeen years old and the doctors had approached my parents about doing seven to nine cosmetic surgeries that would entail cutting the tongue and reconstructing my face.  But the end result would be that I would never speak again.

Sid:  Well, how could you consider that?

Jan:  Well, my speech impediment was so poor at the time because the size of the tongue I couldn’t speak.  And I just…my desire for my life was to walk into a room and nobody notice me.  And had been made fun of and drooling all the time, I just out of desperation I just wanted anything that I could do to stop that ridicule.  And my best friend in high school got radically saved and as a result of that I was introduced to a Pentecostal Church and I began to hear the same word preached with a different measure of faith.  And I went to a service and the Lord used a man of God to give me a word of knowledge and the word of knowledge confirmed the written word that by his stripes I was healed at Calvary.  And the Lord just in prompted me to I feel like a gift of faith that I just knew at that moment, I knew that I knew that I knew that I was healed.

 Sid:  What about that surgery you had planned?

 Jan:  I went back and that’s why I say that it had to be a gift of faith because I was so young in the Lord to just recently born again.  I went and told the doctor that I didn’t need this surgery that the Lord was going to heal me.  And of course nothing against this doctor, but he gave me a stack full of medical facts of why it would be impossible.  But I kept…that measure of faith just rose up in me that nothing, absolutely nothing is impossible with God.  So I told the doctor thank you, but no thank you.  And so that began a journey from July 3^rd of 1979 until December 4^th of going around with a speech impediment going like this right here (slurring words) that Jesus was going to, that He had healed me.  And when you begin to declare that you are healed before the manifestation people can really look at you like you are an odd person.  But God honored His word and it was six months later on December 4^th.  And like I said, it was July 3^rd when I received the word of knowledge that confirmed the written word.  I went to a small Bible Study and they laid hands on me that night and I was supernaturally healed.

Sid:  Tell me because this is my favorite part, of your tongue literally felt like it was on fire?

Jan:  Yes, I went forward, now here I am you know with a birth defect that is evident and I can’t help but get amused about how God has to look at us and I’ve got someone with the Holy Spirit praying for me and they’re praying for my future and all.  And all of a sudden my tongue got just, I mean it got hot, I don’t want to say warm, it got so hot and I had it doubled up.  I could manipulate it with my hands to fit it in my mouth as long as I kept my lips closed.  And it began to get so hot I literally had to open my mouth to get some relief.  And when I opened my this tongue had been consistent all my life that from the size and the weight of it would just fall in place down to right above my chin.  But this night when I opened my mouth and she was praying for me my tongue just shot straight out and it was just vibrating or just shaking to the point that I would think the Lord is healing me.  But I was thinking everything but that I was actually receiving a miracle.

Sid:  You even, as it began to get smaller you began to think, oh God, it’s going to get too small.

Jan:  I did, because I never felt a normal tongue and I thought that I was going to swallow it.  I mean instead of saying make it smaller, I was saying, “That’s enough God, that’s enough.”

Sid:  Now could you feel it just shrinking?

Jan:  Well in a time period I want to say of about ten minutes that I just stood there after I was prayed for with my hands raised, I could feel a little movement, but I think I was so…I think we set ourselves up sometimes.  We know God can do anything, but we set out selves up that if He doesn’t were not going to be devastated.  So when I began to feel the movement I was trying to reason myself, maybe I shifted my weight to another foot, maybe I did this.  But Sid when it went over my bottom lip I knew that I knew, that I knew that God was faithful and I was healed.

Sid:   Now tell me, when you got home what happened?

Jan:  To me that was precious because growing up with a birth defect I was always conscious of how it affected me and I guess with maturity and age I began to realize that the enemy I’m sure used it to accuse and condemn my Mom that maybe she should have intervened and done something.  But that night the whole way home, you have to understand I had a speech impediment because the tongue was too big and just because it got healed it was so small I literally had to learn how to speak with it being that size.  But with the Lord’s help that night when I got home my parents had already gone to bed and when I went through the front door I said for the first time with clarity, Momma.  And my Mom came down the hall with tears in her eyes and she said, “He’s done gone and healed you, hadn’t He.”  So we had a great time of rejoicing.

Sid:  Out of curiosity, did you ever go back to that specialist that wanted to cut your tongue up?

Jan:  I did, I did my Dad is a very wise man and my Dad has always instilled integrity and so we went back to the doctor and I thought the doctor was going to be, you know rejoice and we were going to have revival because of what God had accomplished.  And when I first walked in I didn’t assume, but he thought that I had gone to another surgeon for surgery.  And so he said, “If I would allow him to do some testing and searching that he could expose that I had surgery.  And so after two hours of him investigating he had to declare that it was a miracle.

Sid:  I’ll tell you, every time I hear your story, I get excited and my faith just soars.  You told me before we started this interview that God is showing you that there is a division coming in reference to faith, explain.

Jan:  Well, I believe that I was called to administer before I was in my Mother’s womb and I believe the reason the enemy attacked my tongue was that was the part of the body that God had set apart from the womb He had called me to preach.  I believe that the way the enemy is attacking you is really where He’s the most threatened.  And so when I come to the knowledge of not only my calling of preaching, but the prophetic I could see where the enemy was try to stop the voice of God.  And I think he’s using that same tactic now by trying to lull the church to sleep because in Matthew, in the book of Matthew it said that we have eyes to see but see not, ears to hear not because this nation’s heart has been calloused.  And I believe that faith has become a by word and to me the definition of faith is I believe that God can do anything.  But to believe is to say, I believe He will do it for me.  And I believe that there is a separation of those who are to the point where God is God; He’s not just a relic that church is not just a museum of what He use to do; but He is active, He’s alive and I believe that this is going to usher in the greatest revival and outpouring of the Holy Spirit that has ever been seen.

Sid:  Just out of curiosity and by the way someone’s neck was just healed just as Jan is speaking there’s such a presence of God moving, in fact Jan I believe that if you pray right now very quickly they’ll be an outbreak of miracles.

Jan:  Father God, I thank you that you are the miracle working God and Lord you have not lost any of your creative or healing power.  And Lord your Word, I send Your Word forth right now right now Father God that is such a powerful Word that Lord it will go to every need, every disease, every sickness, I speak life in the name of Jesus.  And I speak that the power of death, the power of disease is broken and Lord I just thank you for miracles, I thank you that what doctors and man has deemed impossible is still possible with you.  So Lord, right now we just thank you for the healing of the body, the soul, and the spirit.  And Lord we will hear many testimonies that will only bring You glory in Your Kingdom in Jesus Name.

Sid:  I love it when the healing anointing gets released and that’s what’s going on right now, its pouring out of your radio or computer, just like a river, it’s a river of healing  and wherever that river goes, people are healed.

Sid: That’s kind of an understatement for my guest Joan Hunter; she’s been a guest many times.  Most of you are familiar with her parents affectionately called the “Happy Hunters.”  And Joan I have to believe that one of the major impacts of your parents, and their in Heaven now; one of the major impacts is if they could do the miracles and the healings anyone could.  That was the feeling I had and I image a lot of people had when they watched them minister.

Joan: That is very very true and people not only where Mom and Dad were concerned, but also in my services “They’ll go it can’t be that easy, it really can’t be that easy.”  Well the word of God says that “We’re going to lay hands on the sick and they’re going to recover.”  And if mom and dad could do it I knew I could do it, I did it and if I do it I know that anybody that’s listening who is a believer can do it because that’s what the Word of God says.

Sid: And you know my logic, my spiritual logic says this whole thing should be easy, but it’s become so complex; and I look at what you teach and for instance you teach about erasing the pain of your past.  And I’m expecting some very complex things and years of intensive prayer and mediating on the word; and you show them instant ways of getting rid of the pain of the past; instant ways of closing the doors of stress and trauma.   And as a matter of fact I love your new book called “Healing Starts Now,” it’s a complete training manual; and the reason I love it is you not only take every major disease, but you tell us exactly how to pray for it.  And you not only tell us exactly to pray for that particular disease, you have pictures of you or other people exactly how they should pray.  Its, I have to tell you my thought as I was reading it is it’s too easy.

Joan: And man and theology has made healing hard; I believe that we need to get back to the basics; I believe in the kiss method.  You know, keep it simple saints, not the other way, saints, and as simple as it is people are going you “These, this you know, it can’t be real, it cannot be real.”  And like I’ll pray for somebody for new, I’ll put my hand around the neck area very lightly, of course not very tight and just say in the Name of Jesus I speak health and wholeness to all the vertebrae’s and disks in this back in Jesus Name.  I command the height to be restored because with osteoporosis and fusions of the back and deteriorated degenerative disc disease all these things people lose height.  And I’ll say in the Name of Jesus I command this body to be restored to the proper height and it just goes l-2-3-4 inches in a matter of seconds.  And congregation will just go, “Ahhhhh!” they’ll just start screaming.

Sid: Tell me about one person you did this for.

Joan: Oh, literally hundreds in the last month. Like a lady came in and she had osteoporosis; her bones were eaten up with just arthritis and everything not to mention the pain.  And had a dowager hump, completely humped over prayed; I commanded the dowager hump to go straight and her back to go straight and her vertebras to be restored and her discs.  And she just, I mean in a matter of oh maybe five seconds grew four inches, back is as a board, strong as can be, pain gone, new vertebras and disks because she could move her head up down, sideways not all the way around but most of the way.  And just total complete freedom that she hadn’t experienced in twenty years.

Sid: You told me that you recently got back from a trip to El Salvador.  Tell me about one of the meetings there.

Joan: It was so incredibly crowded, we couldn’t the people, they were anticipating 200, we had 450 people crammed in a room that holds about 250 and they couldn’t get to me, I couldn’t get to them.  I love praying for the sick and laying hands on the sick and so forth and it was just like, how can I do this God?  And He said, “This is when you click into the working of miracles.”  And so I said, “Anybody who’s got a knee problem stand up put your hands on your own knees and let’s pray.”  And I had them actually repeat the prayer, “Father right now in the Name of Jesus I curse any form of arthritis or anything like that, any form of trauma to the knees command all pain to go and I speak to knees, new knees in one-two whichever one they needed in the Name of Jesus.  And I said, “Thank you Jesus” and the go “Glory Adios.”  And I said now “Check your knees, how you feeling?”  Every single one of them were completely healed and we did that with shoulders, pain in the neck, pains in the back sciatic nerve.  There was literally thousands of different healings because some people had five or seven diseases and they were all healed.  The reports coming in of people getting healed in that meeting, some we cannot tell at the meeting like diabetes, but the reports that are coming back that they are free of diabetes and I never laid hands on one of them, and yet there was thousands of healings that night.

Sid: It was an atmospheric anointing, that’s what you’re describing.

Joan: Yes.  And the day before that particular meeting that I was describing I had two people that came in that were paralyzed; one had fallen five, out of a five story building I think on construction; the other man was shot in his back.  And so I said “Okay I’m going to pray, curse a spirit of death and death assignment, command the spinal cord to go back together etc.”  And I’ve got long fingernails and not too long, but anyway I said, “I’m going to go down the side of your body; you tell me when you can feel it.”  And you know he said, “Yes, yes, yes” and I got to like the rib cages and he said, “Whoa I’m ticklish and I didn’t even know I was ticklish,” because he had paralyzed for fifteen years and went down all the way to his toes and his toes were tickling you know he could feel it; he had complete feeling restored to his lower body.  The other guy the same also; one is completely walking with, he’s just strengthening in his legs; the other one is starting to walk now.  And it’s just awesome getting the reports back you know from when I was there with all this supernatural healings that God does.

Sid: You know, I love to interview you Joan because your anointing jumps on me as I’m listening to you, and as I’m listening to you I see someone getting an entire new hip, whole pelvic area and hip bone.  It’s just I normally don’t get a word that specific, but I got it as I was talking with you and I found the same thing was true with your Mom when I would interview her.  Tell me briefly about the time with your own eyes you saw your parents ministering in Columbia with all those wheelchairs, tell me about it.

Joan: It was so incredible this was one of the high lights of Mom’s life of going down there and I had the privilege of there, being with her when this happened.  And she just goes “Oh God there is so many people here that need healing and Father just touch all of them are in their wheel chairs, heal them in the Name of Jesus.” And all of a sudden these people just started popping up all over this room or actually it was a soccer stadium that had somewhere between 50 and 75,000 added.  And they were just getting up out of wheel chairs, getting out of wheel chairs and they didn’t know what to do so they took their wheel chairs and their going “ Woo, woo , woo” raising them up and down and up and down.  And then they just started, they didn’t know what to do with them because they didn’t need them anymore so they started passing them forward and we had over fifty wheel chairs that had been sent up to the front because the people didn’t need them anymore.   I’m not aware of any body going home in a wheelchair that night.

Sid: Has the Spirit of God spoken to you about something that Kathryn Kulman prophesied?  She prophesied, “A day is coming in which Christians will go into hospitals and clear out everyone that is sick.  And I believe that we’re living in that day right now.

Joan: I totally agree with you on that; part of my teaching is “Close the Door to Stress and Trauma” which I do the prayers in the book.

Sid: Well, why is it so important to close the door to stress and trauma?

Joan: Well, trauma is what’s bringing on so many of these problems that people are having and you know you may have prayed for people and they we’re healed.  I had a lady come in recently and she was in a wheel chair and she had arthritis, she had a problem with her rotator cuff, she had a slew of things, so much pain, digestion and she said, “I prayed, I use to pray with your Mom and Dad on the Healing Team all of this kind of stuff and I can’t get myself healed.”   And I said, “Have you prayed for trauma?”  She goes I never heard of that until tonight.  And I said okay, “Father right now in the Name of Jesus I curse the spirit of trauma, I command it to be gone from this body in Jesus Name.”  She started crying, she started getting free of the trauma that had happened to her.  I said, “I curse the rejection, the abandonment, the this the that and the trauma from falling on the shoulder”, and I just went through a whole list of things, and then at that point she just went; I never prayed for her healing, I never had time to because she was already healed because the trauma and the cellular memory; which is, you can goggle that and find out the truth about cellular memory and it remembers the trauma.

Sid: It stays in your body, what about someone who’s mind has blocked the trauma and they don’t even remember it to ask for prayer?

Joan: Well, I make sure everybody I pray for that I cover the spirit of trauma no matter what it is.  People come in with fibromyalgia, they have forgotten about the trauma of fibromyalgia the root cause is trauma.  So I have had literally I’ve seen thousands of people healed in the last three years of fibromyalgia.

Sid: Our Messiah is getting ready to return and I have, I’d say of all the people that I could be interviewing right now, I have the top man that was literally called by God to expose secrets that the media has purposely hidden from us.  That will give us insight into the end time antichrist system and I am fascinated by the information this man has.  His name is Gary Kah, spelled K A H and Gary has a background in which his parents were involved in with the Nazi’s and the communist and running for their life.  And Gary as a young age when he heard these stories couldn’t comprehend why at least Christians wouldn’t rise up and do something about it.  And he decided that, he actually made a vow and about how old were you Gary?

Gary: It was in sixth grade, I would have been eleven years old.

Sid: Boy, that’s a young age and so then he prepared, he graduated from college with top honors and he had a degree in International Marketing in Economics.  And as a matter of fact he had three majors, then he went to work for the Europe and Middle East Trade…

Gary: I went to work for the State of Indiana for the Lieutenant Governor of Indiana but my title was Europe and Middle East Trade Specialist.

Sid: And he was in charge of some twenty countries.  Then in 1980 he uncovered something that no one had been talking about before.  In the ‘80s he uncovered about the printing of new US currency which would be a stepping stone obviously for the One World Currency and being a student of the Bible he didn’t have to be a mental giant to know why this was going on.  When you found this out, what did you do about this information Gary?

Gary: Well, at first again I had to wonder what the Lord’s purpose was in this and what I should do, I asked that same question.  It was actually myself and one other person from our office which was under the Lieutenant Governor of Indiana some people from Richard Lugers office and from the Major of Indianapolis office who toured a company here in town who was getting ready to build the printing presses to print the new US currency.  This was back in February of 1984 when we took a tour of this plant and learned about these things and of course later on our new currency began to come out in ’96.  So I knew about this about twelve years in advance, but again I wondered what to do about this.  So I began to pray about it and the Lord put people in my life who knew a lot that was going on overseas with other currencies and I began to research, interview people and look into the matter and discovered that a number of different currencies were either in the process of coming out or had just come out around the globe.  And this was all part of an effort to make the currencies more similar, to give them common features and to eventually merge this all into a single global currency system at some point down the road.  But that really got me researching and digging into the economic side of things and I used some of the contacts that I had at the embassies.  And I failed to mention that when I traveled overseas my meetings were organized through the US embassies.  So even though I was on the payroll of the state government my dealings overseas were through the federal government and so I learned quite a bit through some of the people working at the embassies that had become friends of mine especially in the commercial sections of the embassies.  And one thing led to another and finally I began to speak out on this and warn people and say this is what’s going to happen and there is an alternative motive behind this.

Sid: Awe yes, but you started warning people you received, you were issued an ultimatum by the administration superior to keep quiet or else resign from your position.  What did you decide to do?

Gary: That’s right that was in April of 1985 and I was absolutely floored, I remember after the meeting I came back to my office and just stared out of my window for the better part of an hour.  And then called my best friend who was a Christian who worked in the Secretary of State’s office and we had lunch together and I told him what had just happened and we prayed together and I decided not to do anything rash, but to give it a few weeks and then make a final decision on what I should do.  And so I took one final trip overseas that was already planned.  It was with our Secretary of State, Ed Simcox and several other people, a delegation that was planning to go to Russia and China and so I decided I would go ahead and take that trip and see how the Lord leads.  And then I remember sitting in the airport in San Francisco on the way back and the Lord just gave me the word to write down for a letter or resignation.  And I couldn’t write fast enough, I really believe the Lord was giving me the words to write.  And when I came back I submitted that letter of resignation and basically told the administration that I believed strongly that especially given my heritage and my background and what my parents went through that I needed to take a stand on these matters and that as a result I would be leaving my job because I couldn’t be silent about this.

Sid: Okay, then in 1987 you joined an organization that I’ve never heard of and most people have never heard of called the World Constitution and Parliament Association.  What in the world is that?

Gary: First of all I was invited to join in the organization, I did send in an application, but I never officially attended any of their meetings and this was really strange.  I believe this was something that the Lord orchestrated in retrospect so that if I would have gone to the meetings I was invited to attend they might have recognized that I was not one of them and who know what would have happened then.  But the way that it turned out I corresponded with the top leader of the organization for four years.  And as a result received a lot of the documentation and every time I was getting ready to go to one of their meetings something happened that I could not go there no matter how hard I tried, and again I believe that was the hand of God.  But I collected several hundred pages of documents, including a prototype draft of World Constitution for World Government that they already had available at that time and they’ve been tweaking it ever since.  But it’s amazing going back over twenty years that this type thing was already underway back then.  And they were also organizing Sid meetings of what they called a Provisional World Parliament which was like a type of mock or a dress rehearsal for a real World Parliament down the road.

Sid: Now, I have an actually a map of the United States that you got off or their web site and they’ve even mapped out the United States for these World Delegates.

Gary: That’s correct, they have and again all this is subject to change but for right now, they’ve divided the forty eight lower states on the main land into forty four world districts.  And each one of them is based loosely on a population of 7 million people in each district.  So that’s how they’ve divided up the United States for their purposes and they did so based on a clause in the Earth’s Constitution and World Legislative Act Number 29.  So you’ve got a group of people out there doing this and there’s nothing in the media about it whatsoever.

Sid: Again, in one sentence what is their agenda?

Gary: Their agenda is all out world government, they say that this is the only way to bring about world peace and world unity.  However when you look at who some of the key players are in this organization they all come from a very strong New Age, occultic, mystical viewpoint.  And overall the people in this movement the forefront of it is strongly opposed to Bible believing Christians and conservative Jews and so you can see the handwriting on the wall.  You know, Hitler wanted to create the Third Reich which was a global government in his day.

Sid: Okay, listen I don’t understand something though, they’ve had many meetings throughout the world, meetings with top religious leaders, top political leaders, top economic leaders, top academic leaders, I don’t see much press going on.  How could they be so vocal and yet we don’t hear about them?

Gary: Well, that’s the same question I’ve been asking all along and I ask in my book is how can this be?  Clearly there are at least some people in the media who hold enough influence in determining what gets said and what doesn’t to hold this back.  Because when you’ve got several hundred pages of documents like this and clearly that I did not make up, it’s on their letterheads with signatures of people on it and everything.  You know it can’t be denied; ever people have to say that this organization isn’t something serious, but even if that was the case it would still deserve to be exposed.  The fact that they’ve been around for this many years and have done what they have; the fact that Ramsey Clark our former US Attorney General was a Vice President of this organization at the time that I was affiliated with it and the top people from the UN the former officials and what not were part of this.  And leaders from the Nobel Prize Committee even, Eagle Arvic of Norway, he was the very first name I believe listed at the top of one of their letterheads.  So a lot of prominent people from around the world belong to this so I think we have to take it seriously.

Sid: Now, do you see a tie in between the crumbling of the US economy and the One World Government with organizations such as you’ve just told us about?

Gary: Well, to answer the question, this organization put out a list of forty-nine reasons back in the eighties forty-nine reasons why we need world government.  And as you read down that list it’s just about every problem they say is a reason for world government.  But about fifteen of them had to do with the environment, and others had to do with economic matters and also many of the others having to do with maintaining or bringing about world peace.  So their argument would be that we have to have world government to get us out of these unfolding crises.  Now what’s interesting is that when they made these statements our economy was in pretty decent shape.  But it’s as if they were expecting this coming global economic crisis and a global crisis involving perhaps military conflict in the Middle East or something along those lines that would terrify people to the point where the people of the world would think wow if we don’t do something the world is going to self distract politically and militarily and also in the economic front, there’s got to be some kind of change.  And I believe at that moment of crisis is when people like this will step in and say we’ve got the solution, global government, it’s the only way to go.

Sid: Or right now two of the big giants, China and the former Soviet Union, Russia actually have an alliance and they don’t think too much of our US dollars.

Gary: That’s right.

Sid: Oops were out of time.

Dennis: Yeah, Annie Herring was the big sister, it was two sisters and a brother in this Christian Rock and Roll band and I got there early enough because I couldn’t afford the records and I wanted to get a; I brought my tape recorder because they seem so real to me and they didn’t write songs just for the radio.  And sure enough during the song they just stopped and I had never seen anything like this before; she began to prophecy.  And you have to understand there is 4500 people there but she was talking to me.  And she said that, “There is somebody here tonight and you’ve experienced things you never dreamed you would have to go through and you’ve got things hidden in your heart that you never would want anyone to know; you would be humiliated if they did but God want to tell you right now He sees the things you are hiding and he loves you anyway.”  And we are going to sing over you and as we do we want you to do something, we want you to make it like it’s Christmas tonight, we want you to reach into the hidden places of your heart and get honest with God, take those things out and give them to Him like a gift on Christmas morning which sounded like a terrible gift to me but I got what she was saying.  She said, “So you give those things to Him, see Jesus take them on the cross and then at the same time at Christmas you also received things, so what do you need from the Lord?”  So I just did what she said, I got honest with the Lord and for the first time, see I thought that homosexuality was too vial for Jesus to take on the cross because of what I’d seen Christians portray about that particular sin, but one sin is no different than the next, the all separate us from the Father.  So I did that, I gave my sin to Jesus and what I received from Him in return was just an amazing depth of love like wave after wave, after wave that I had absolutely honestly never experienced in my life.

Sid: And by the way, I think that that’s one of the things that people experience when they hear your music today; they call it liquid love.  Have you heard that report?

Dennis: Yeah, it often comes back to me like just waves of love rolling over people.

Sid: Okay, was this the first time you experienced that?

Dennis: Yeah, very much so because you have to understand I thought I was less than a man.  I thought I was something less than other guys, and I thought I was…and I was so ashamed of who I was that the Lord had to break through that shame with His love and He revealed to me that He bore my shame on the cross.  So I had nothing to be ashamed of, it was all taken from me and the fact, the reason I even shared my testimony publically for the first time was because of Psalm 107:1 & 2 was says “Oh give thanks to the Lord which says he is good for His loving kindness is everlasting let the redeemed of the Lord say so.”  And what He has told to me, Sid was that “Dennis I have redeemed you, it doesn’t matter what you were redeemed from as long as you were redeemed; and if you don’t say what you’ve been redeemed from how are those that are in the same bondage going to know that there is hope?  They are not, so you’ve got to tell not only that you are redeemed and what you were redeemed from.”  At least that was His word to me and I thought that my life would be over in that moment but the exact opposite has taken place.  The more I confess the Glory of the Lord more people are redeemed and set free in their own lives.  So I love to tell what God has done for me, I absolutely love it.

Sid: But you know something that really spoke to me Dennis as I reviewed your story before; this is the first time that I have met Dennis by way of telephone right now in this radio interview.  Is that there was a courageous Christian that stepped up at that vulnerable point where you began to believe you were free after living a homosexual lifestyle, but God knew that you needed a real Christians in your life as opposed to the mentor that you had that became a predator.  Tell me what this man said to you.

Dennis: Well, he just confronted me one day; he said Dennis I know what you’re struggling with and instead of facing him, I ran out of the house.  It was one of those moments where I just ran and ran and ran and all of a sudden I thought, “Where am I running to?”  And I said, “Lord if you’re real I need to hear you now; I need you to speak to me.”  This is the truth, call me crazy but I looked in to the sky and it was a moonlit night and there were only two clouds.  There was one that looked like an old man and one that looked like a little sheep and the big old man cloud, which was a Father to me, a picture of God as Father, He engulfed the little lamb and that gave me the grace to go back and embrace my friend.  And here’s what my friend said to me, he said “Dennis, I don’t know all that it’s going to take to get you free but I know the answer and the answer, and the answer‘s Jesus.”  And I said, “Well, I have heard that this my whole life.” He said, “Not like this you haven’t, he said, “Jesus is the answer let’s walk towards Him together; I am going to walk with you however long it takes, whatever it takes.  If you fall down, I am going to help you up; I am not going to kick you while you are down; if you need someone to yell at, yell at me because we’re going together on this journey.”  And he has been faithfully walking with me since 1981.

Sid: Now, what you don’t know, but what I know about Dennis is that Dennis got married in 1983 and how many children do you have Dennis?

Dennis: With laughter he says, “We have nine children!”

Sid: And look how, and as a matter of fact you gave me another insight, because God built you to be so sensitive to His Spirit and sensitive to the needs of other people that before you understood this this gift that God gave you it was translated by other people like weakness like a woman.

Dennis: Exactly, yeah in fact I remember it even being in grade school and I could already play the piano or another way it manifested itself was if somebody cried I would probably cry with them if you were hurting I would hurt with you.  It was just a gift of mercy and I didn’t realize that it was a gift of the Lord and the other guys just thought it was very feminine; it was just what girls do.  You act like a girl, you respond like a girl and so I carried that long perspective with me until I got to the point where I realized that you know what?  My whole life I’m been looking from the wrong point of view; we’re to seek first the Kingdom and we seek first the Kingdom of God by seeking first the King, and if I seek the King and I find Him then I’m going to start seeing life not from my point of view but from the Kings point of view.  And that’s why Jesus taught His disciples to pray “Your Kingdom come.”  Disciples began to ask Him, Lord would  you invade my marriage with Your Kingdom?  Would you just invade the way that I view myself from Your point of view, I just want to see what You see in me, I only see hopeless but you see hope.  I see vile wickedness but you see holy and righteous by virtue of the blood of Jesus.  All of a sudden my life became revolutionized so much so that I took what the enemy had meant for evil and I began to use it for good in my own life and for the Glory of God.  And that’s what I see my life is becoming this wonderful paradox of where I thought my life was messed up and unusable the Lord said, “No, just the opposite, Son.”

Sid: Tell me briefly about the song we’re going to play a little bit of.  But the anointing is so strong on your music; it’s called “Beautiful” what is that about?

Dennis: Well, the Lord, if we get into His presence and like I said in the earlier interview, I never believe I leave God’s presence, but when I recognize that He’s here and I begin to acknowledge that presence, all I can see is from His point of view.  And when I see Him I see righteousness, when I see Him I see the Lion of the Tribe of Judah who cannot be defeated.  When I see Him I see power and grace to overcome any difficulties in this life, I even see the grace to just tell the enemy where to go, ha-ha and so that’s song is all wrapped up in the song of intimate worship.

Sid: Listen, I have never seen the reaction at my prayer meeting of anyone’s music as I saw when your music was played.  Let’s hear just a tiny bit of “Beautiful”

Dennis Jernigan’s excerpt of “Beautiful.”

Sid: That was Dennis Jernigan’s music and let me tell you something, the word that describes the anointing on his music is freedom, freedom in every area of your life.  What music to soak under.

Sid: We want everyone everywhere to understand the mystery that’s been stolen from the church of what the Jewish Patriarchs knew.  They understood the power of the blessing and the man that I know that has studied this the most over the years and has emphasized this the most over the years is Pastor Bill Ligon from Brunswick, Georgia.  And Bill and I go back a number of years and I was a member of his church for many many years.  Bill, refresh my memory, how in the world, you come from a Baptist background, you’re not Jewish; how in the world did you get so interested in the Jewish Blessing?

Bill: Well, I was in transition Sid, I was making a change and starting over, planning a new work, having been in larger churches and on the mission field and I felt like the Lord spoke to me and told me to plant this work on the foundation of the Aaronic Blessing.  And at that point I sought out an old friend of mine a conservative Jewish Rabbi whom I had befriended years earlier and I found him in retirement in Columbus, Georgia.  When I called him and I told him and gave him my name the old Rabbi began to weep, he said “Bill I have never had a friend like you, where are you?  And I told him, I said, “I’m in Brunswick, GA and I’m planting a new church and God has told me to plant it upon the Aaronic blessing.”  And I said, “Can I come to see you and study with you?”  And he said, “My homes always open to you.”

Sid: Now, just out of curiosity, did the Spirit of God really tell you to plant it on the Aaronic Blessing?

Bill: Oh, yes, most definitely, He said the blessing…

Sid: Well, that’s unusual.

Bill:  “He said the blessing had been lost from the church and He had never intended that it would be removed from the church.”  You see when the church was founded by the Holy Spirit at Pentecost all three pillars of faith which God used to change the lives of the Children of Israel and make them into a great nation, were present both in Judaism and in the Church.  Now the Jews had the Blood Covenant, they had sacrifice everyday in the Temple; they had the moral code and they had the Ten Commandments; and they had the High Priestly blessing the Aaronic blessing.  The church was founded with all three, the Church was founded with the Blood Covenant, the blood of Yeshua, Jesus Christ, they had the Ten Commandments.  Jesus said, “I didn’t come to destroy but to fulfill and give it its proper meaning.”  And they had the High Priestly blessing, Peter said, “For this you are called to give the blessing that you might inherit the blessing,” and so the Lord showed me that the blessing had been lost to the Church.

Sid: Or if you use the blessing it’s kind of the significance is just words and we’ve lost the significance; therefore we can’t believe; therefore we can’t have faith; therefore It’s not going to manifest.

Bill: That’s true because all people say is that “May the Lord Bless You.” But they don’t know what that means and really there is more to it than that, a great deal more because God intends to release His favor upon His people.  So God made it clear to me that He wanted to restore that blessing to the Church and to all of His people.  God created everyone and so that’s when I studied with this Rabbi.  Came back home and went to six seminaries and did my research and then came back and produced the material and began to then speak the blessing in my own congregation over my people.

Sid: You must have gotten so excited in those early years when the revelation first hit you through what the Rabbi was telling you.

Bill: It was, I was excited about it and the Rabbi became excited, he and I worked together on this and we had a great time together in his home studying.

Sid: Well, I just can’t wait, we have so many other things to talk about, but I want to know about the Power of the Aaronic Blessing.

Bill: It’s amazing Sid, that was in 1973 and ever since then we have not only taught the blessings locally, but we have gone to other places, we have done television and radio.  We have been in conferences around the country teaching people the principal of blessing.  And now other people are beginning to teach those principals, but it’s amazing how God has changed the lives of people through the power of the spoken blessing.

Sid: But tell me specifically what it means the Aaronic Blessing.

Bill: The Aaronic Blessing, and God said, told Moses, he said “When this blessing is spoken and most people know what it is but he said, “You will speak this blessing and every time you assemble my people together have Aaron and his sons speak this blessing, “May the Lord Bless You, now I bless you, but may the Lord bless you and keep you, may the Lord cause His face to shine upon you and be gracious to you; may the Lord let the light of His countenance upon you and give you His peace.  And now God made a promise in verse 27, He said, “Thus you shall put or invoke my name on the Sons of Israel and I then will bless them.”

Sid: You know I’ve read that in scripture and I’ve pondered what does that really mean?  What does that really mean, Bill?

Bill: Yes, the word invoke or put.  Let me give you an illustration of what can happen; a person leaves his house and goes out and gets into his automobile and puts the key in the ignition and turns it with the intension of moving a ton of weight where he wants it to go.  Now he can turn it and that will release an electrical charge from his batteries into the combustion chamber and he can start his engine.  He can sit there and turn the engine up, push down on the acceleration pedal and turn it up until he’s neighbors all hear him racing his engine, but he goes nowhere and does not accomplish anything.  In order to that he has to invoke the power of that engine; that’s the strength of that word in the Hebrew.  To invoke the power of the Name of God Himself so in order to that he puts it into gear and when he does he invokes the power of that engine and moves that automobile, a ton of weight with one finger on the steering wheel to where he want it to go.  Now that’s exactly what can happen; a lot of people seem to get together and they make a lot of noise, but they can’t seem to get their lives in order.  They can’t seem to go the way they’re supposed to go; God’s intention was that His favor would be released through this spoken blessing.  And that’s what it does; it engages the Name, the covenant Name and the power of God to release God’s favor upon those who receive the blessing.

Sid: You know I remember years ago you shared a story about a woman that had a mark on her forehead and the power of the blessing with her.  Tell me about that again.

Bill: Those people lived on the western side of the state and they came to see us and she had this make on her forehead.  It was there because her mother had told her that it was there because she was born under a curse and she wasn’t wanted and she wasn’t accepted.  So I taught her husband how to lay hand on her and release blessing upon her life and I taught her how to forgive her mother and those who had rejected her and how to bless them.  They went back home and they began to do that.  He began to lay hands on his wife everyday and one day he called me all excited.  And said, “Pastor Bill,” he said, “As soon as I began to bless my wife that mark on her forehead like a birthmark began to fade,” it was a V which was the first letter in her name and he said, “That it began to fade and now he said that it’s gone completely, it’s never ever done that before, but it’s gone.”  And we followed up on him for some time and it didn’t come back. He continued to release God’s spoken blessing over his wife and it produced tremendous results in her life.

Sid: Well, I have to believe that there are so many amazing things that happen when people understand the power of the blessing.  I happen to believe that that had to have a major impact on you to see how what God did in the Blessing internally, actually reflected on the outside.

Bill: It was so significant in my life that I thought I need to begin to impart this blessing to my wife and I wanted her to impart it to me.  So we agreed and we began to lay hands on each other and speak blessing and success and health and favor over each other.  We’ve been doing it now for year; it brought tremendous results.  And one of the most significant things it did for me Sid, when we married fifty-three years ago, fifty-three and a half years ago, thank you,

Sid: Congratulations.

Bill: Thank you.

Sid: I mean that’s a rarity these days Bill.

Bill: I was raised in a home with, I had an older brother but he was already gone.  I was raised in a home with three older sisters, a mother and a grandmother.  All of whom spanked me when they wanted to.  Ha-ha.  And when I married my precious wife, I loved her dearly.

Sid: She didn’t spank you did she?

Bill: Oh, no when she wanted to talk seriously with me I just withdrew and so one of the things that I could not accomplish was emotional intimacy.  Now she said, “We need to get closer.”  And I said, “Well come here sweetheart, and let me hold you in my arms and I’ll show you how close we can get.”  She said, “No, I want emotional closeness, I want emotional intimacy.”

Sid: And you didn’t really have a clue.

Bill: No, and I could not seem to have that breakthrough.  Sid, the root problem with marriages in America is that the average man cannot achieve emotional intimacy with his wife.  He can achieve physical closeness, but not emotional intimacy.  So when my wife began to lay hands on me every day after a few months I realized that that wall had been melted down and that my wife and I had bonded in emotional way.  And so I would not live without it every day.

Sid: Actually as I study your course and have heard your teaching, there was an emotional bonding but it is even deeper.  It is almost a spiritual bonding.  It’s like the Bible says, you become one.

Bill: We did, we became one and we began to experience God’s blessing and favor.  And one of the things that I’ve been able to do for my wife in 1970 when we were missionaries in Barcelona, Spain she was diagnosed with stage four cancer.  God supernaturally healed her on Valentine’s Day 1971, but every day when I lay hands on her I say “May the Lord bless every cell and nerve in your body with health and life.”  If we could just get husbands and wives in America to begin to study these principals and begin to release God’s favor upon each other the sky is the limit on what they would do.

Sid: I believe that we haven’t even scratched the surface, not just husbands and wives, but entire families.  Not just entire families, but entire churches.

Sid: We are coming into an amazing time on planet earth; we’re getting ready for the great Jewish wedding.  We’re getting ready for the wrap up and one thing that occurred to me is that we’ve had an emphasize; we have had an emphasis in the body of Messiah on understanding who Jesus is.  We’ve had an emphasis in the Body of Messiah an understanding who the Holy Spirit is, but we’re getting ready for an outpouring of revelation of who God the Father is.  And in order for you to understand who God the Father is God raises up and individual who they’re life experience allows you to grasp this spiritual truth.  And I have such a person on the telephone and her name is A.J. Jones and she has experienced the love of the Father.   And she maintains and I maintain that we cannot receive the love God has for us; the security God has for us; the peace that God has for us; the healing that God has for us; the rest that God has for us; the promises that God has for us unless we come to have intimacy.  And that’s the right word and I come from a Jewish background which is similar to many people that come from a Catholic background.  You see God up there in the sky with a big stick ready to hit you over the head the minute you make a mistake; and you don’t understand the New Covenant revelation that says that God is love.  But unless you can experience the love of the Father then it’s like a brick wall on these other promises from God; and A.J. has a revelation of this.  A.J. I’m going to take you back to the beginning so to speak, what are the earliest memories you have of your father?

AJ: Well, my father was an alcoholic and he was very angry so my earliest memory, I think I was around three and my parents were fighting and I came down stairs to ask them to stop and I was just standing there yelling, “Stop it, stop it” and my Dad in his anger picked up a chair and threw it and knocked me down a flight of stairs.

Sid: That had to be about as traumatic, here you look to your father as your source of protection so to speak, your covering, so to speak your trust must have gone out the window when he did that.

AJ: Yeah, I mean I don’t know if I ever really saw my Dad like that because he was always so scary to me so…

Sid: Because he was drinking?

AJ: Yeah, and he was angry, I mean he was very angry.

Sid: I don’t quite understand it because fortunately I’ve never been an alcoholic, but I normally see there’s a lot of anger with alcoholics.

AJ: Yeah, well there’s a reason they’re drinking you know, they’re trying to deal with something too that they’re going through and it just comes out with those people that are closest to you doesn’t it.

Sid: Did you hurt yourself when you fell down the stairs?

AJ: You know I don’t particularly remember that experience that well, I remember it hurt but I don’t know if I broke anything with that; with that one.

Sid: Now, what about your mother, would she stand up for you when your father was drunk?

AJ: Yeah, well she would yell, I mean everybody yelled in our house, but she would yell if my older brother was home, he’d try to get in the way; you know it was such a scary environment to even try and survive in.  But I mean most of my Dad’s anger was directed towards my mother, but it just that I would get in the way because I just couldn’t handle watching him choke her or do whatever he was doing and so…

Sid: Now, your mother drank also.

AJ: Yeah, she did.

Sid: And this sounds awful, but your mother, who had that maternal instinct to protect her children, tried to protect you with your safe place the closet; tell me about that.

AJ: Well, I would hide in the closet, I had a bunch of like stuffed animals and stuff in the closet and if they were fighting, usually they fought at like you know; midnight or 2:00 in the morning or whatever.  And I would go and I would you know go and I would close my door and kind of barricade myself inside the closet and sit with my stuffed animals; and so she tried to make that a safe place for me to hide.

Sid: And you developed and what I find that many people that develop a specific diseases there are physiological reasons that they’ve entered into those diseases; one is asthma.  Now obviously with everything going on in your life it’s understandable how the asthma got triggered and this was not just your ordinary asthma, but it was pretty bad in your case.

AJ: Yeah, it was very bad; it was very very bad.  It wasn’t sort of average asthma it was severe asthma and so I would often have attacks.  Like I would have them several times a week and not just like you would use a puffer and then be fine.  I would end up in the hospital; you know I spent time in oxygen tents.  By the time I was about eighteen or nineteen I had over four hundred hospital bracelets, so I mean I had a really tough time with it.

Sid: And your parents separated for obvious reasons and as a matter of fact and they were headed towards divorce; so you were staying for safety purposes with your grandparents.  But you decided to go back home to your mother as your mother assured you your father was gone but he wasn’t, was he.

AJ: Well, he wasn’t, like they had you know done the whole legal separation and gotten two different houses to live in.  But we had to go back to the house that we all lived in together to just make sure that we had everything that we wanted because we were moving to a much smaller house; I think they were having somebody come in and get the rest of the stuff or something.  So my mom had said to me, “You never have to see your Dad again,” when she had picked me up from my Grandparents house and I was thrilled because I never wanted to see him again.  But then when we walked into the house; the old house my Dad was sitting there in the kitchen and I was pretty shocked to even you know come in the house and find him there because I had been promised I wouldn’t ever have to see him, but he was there.

Sid: How did you react?

AJ: Well, not well.  I mean I remember walking in and just sort of freezing and my Dad said to me, “How can you do this to me, I love you.”  You know because the whole separation and divorce had kind of gone down because it was my fault because I had finally told somebody you know I was thirteen and I couldn’t take it anymore.  And so he said, “How can you do this to me, I love you?  And I remember saying, “Well, you have a very strange way of showing it and you need to know that I hate you and I hope you die.”  And I just took off, I just ran out of the house.

Sid: When he would send you presents, I mean to me that’s the hatred, the fear that you must have had as a young person reacted, your actions reflected it.  But what did you do when your father was trying to make amends and send you presents?

AJ: Ah, well my parents sort of excelled that, if they messed up they would you know buy a gift because we had some money to that.  And so that was sort of his way of trying to seek restoration, but again I was so angry and so hurt and so afraid.  So he would send gifts and it didn’t matter how badly I wanted it, and he was good at getting gifts.  I would smash them to little tiny pieces and mail them back to his address because I just really wanted him to get the message I didn’t want him in my life anymore.  And I mean he actually sent me flowers twice and the first time I waited for them to die and then mailed them back.  And the second time I didn’t have that level of patience and so I cut them up and I poured Draino over them and mailed them back so.  Canada Post was making a lot of money off of my issues.

Sid: Speaking of issues, I mean you were suicidal, anorexic, suffering from severe asthma.  You must have had one miserable life as a young child.

AJ: Yeah, I was barely surviving.

Sid: And where was God in this equation, what did you know about God?

AJ: I didn’t really know anything about God, I went to church sometimes with my mom, but I didn’t really get the message that Jesus loved me or anything like that; I just remember going and thinking it was about dressing properly, or acting properly.  And it didn’t really feel like life to me and then I had a cousin who was the oldest of eight Baptist kids and she would try and tell me that Jesus loved me and she would try to kind of evangelize me.  But I was so angry and confused about what my life looked like and how that could possibly line up with God loving me and I couldn’t really receive it.

Sid: Well, your hatred went beyond your father; you also had a rivalry with your siblings; especially you and your sister used to fight.  And you wanted to hurt your sister; it was her Birthday and your way of hurting her was to have something else go on.  What was that something else?

AJ: Well, it’s funny cause with my sister, we didn’t usually fight that much, but when we did fight it was pretty full on and so we had this big fight and it was her Birthday and so I wanted to hurt her feelings and so my Baptist cousin that I was telling you about she called and invited me to a youth retreat.  And I had no desire to go to a youth retreat, but I did have a desire to get my sister back because I was mad at her and so I agreed to go away on her Birthday.

Sid: I’ll tell you what, hold that thought, we’ll pick up right here on tomorrows broadcast.  You know Mishpochah many of you have never really ever experienced the love of Father God and you’re in for a treat.  And you know it’s possible to walk in the love of Father God 24-7.  And do you know that when you understand how to receive His love, all of the promises of God; all the peace of God; all the rest of God, it’ll be restored to you.

SID: Hello, Sid Roth here with Rabbi Jonathan Cahn. And there is a Scripture; it’s found in the prophet Isaiah, the 9th Chapter, the 10th Verse, in which it includes nine harbingers, warnings for Israel. It’s God’s heart saying, “Please, Israel, turn from your wickedness so I can bless you.” But it’s progressive judgments that come to Israel until finally they’re totally wiped off the land. Now we don’t want to see this happen in the United States of America. And that’s why I’ve asked Rabbi Jonathan Cahn. It takes a Messianic Jewish rabbi with a prophetic bent that lives right outside of New York City; that actually went to the grounds of 9/11 and was able to put this together. Now Jonathan, there’s a mystery about the trees. Explain that to me.

JONATHAN: The key in Isaiah 9:10 says, the next part of it says, “The sycamores have been cut down.” Now what is that? The Assyrians came in, that warning strike, they ravaged the land. The sycamores were ravaged. And it’s a biblical sign of judgment. Actually, it occurs in Egypt. There’s a sign that says, “God struck down the sycamore; national judgment; a sign of uprooting. God was going to uproot the nation if it didn’t turn back to Him. So the sycamores have fallen. But what does that have to do with America? First of all, the terrorists of 9/11 weren’t interested in sycamores. They struck cities, not field. The sycamore has to be struck down, a sign of national judgment. So what happens? Amazing – eerie thing. On 9/11, the last tower, the northern tower is crashing to the ground, sends out a beam into the air. It just so happens all around Ground Zero there’s concrete, asphalt buildings. But there’s one little plot of land that has soil, and it strikes an object. The object is a tree. What kind of tree? It’s the sycamore. Just happened to be growing at the corner of Ground Zero? It struck down…A sign of national judgment? But how?

SID: So from the wreckage, something fell from the tower, which is a sign of national judgment.

JONATHAN: Yes. Absolutely. First of all, the sycamore of Israel was the Middle Eastern sycamore. It matched Israel. But God translated the harbinger; this is the western sycamore, which is named after that very Middle Eastern sycamore of Isaiah 9:10. It happens to be struck down right at the corner of Ground Zero. And the people, there’s something strange about the harbingers, they make signs of them. They take the fallen sycamore and they make it a sign, and they call it “The Sycamore of Ground Zero.” People gather. They put it on display. It’s supposed to be a symbol of hope. They have no idea this is an ancient harbinger of judgment of a nation, of uprooting if it doesn’t turn back to God.

SID: Tell me the second tree.

JONATHAN: Okay. You go on right. It’s in progression. Precisely down the prophecy, it says, the sycamores have fallen, but Israel vows, “We will plant cedars in their place.” Same thing as the stone. They’re saying, okay, you struck down our sycamores. God, we’re not going to be humbled. We’re going to take a stronger tree, the cedar, and we’re going to rise like that tree. It’s going to be a symbol of the nation and we’re going to come back stronger than ever. So the sign is, the harbinger is they plant the cedar. The cedar, the word of course is English. The original word is the erez tree. Erez means “cedar”, but it also means any conifer tree, a coniferous tree. Literally, the most exact translation is pinaceae tree. So just keep that in mind. The harbinger has to be they have to take the sycamore out and replace it, not with another sycamore, which would be natural, but with a pinaceae tree or an erez tree. So when this happened, strange thing. In 2003, November, a tree appears in the sky. It’s on a crane. They’re lowering it down to get an exact spot. They lower over the corner of Ground Zero to get it in the exact spot where the sycamore had been struck down. What was the tree? It was a conifer tree. It was a pinaceae tree. It was the exact erez tree of the scriptures, of Isaiah 9:10. And the same thing; they make a sign. They call it “The Tree of Hope”. For Israel, they’re saying, “This is our hope. We’re going to come back stronger than ever.” Call it the Tree of Hope. They have a ceremony around it. A man pronounces things over it and it celebrates human defiance, and it’s the exact harbinger. They don’t know what they’re doing. Nobody knows what they’re doing. No human hand is putting this together. I mean, the terrorists didn’t try to strike down a sycamore, nor did they try to put the matches up. But it all comes into place. It’s the replaying of the ancient drama of judgment.

SID: Now tell me about a third tree, the buttonwood tree.

JONATHAN: Okay. Here’s the principle. God says, when there’s a judgment for a nation, He says, “I will expose its foundations;” kind of like destroying a house to the foundation. What is the foundation of a nation? A foundation of a nation are what it trusts in or what it is built upon, or its powers. America’s powers, physically, are military and economic or financial. So if we’re going to see this, then we’re going to see a mystery here that in 9/11 it exposes America’s foundation. So where was America’s financial foundation? Island of Manhattan has always been the center. That’s where they had a trading post. They set up a wall to defend themselves. They put up shops. It became known as Wall Street. But how did Wall Street become the foundation of America’s rise as a superpower? It happened in the late 18th century. Twenty-four merchants from New York City gather in a secret meeting. Then from that meeting, they sign a document. That becomes the Buttonwood Association. Buttonwood Association later becomes known as the New York Stock Exchange, Wall Street. So the foundation of America’s power in economics is all linked to this word “buttonwood”. So what is this buttonwood? What does that have to do with it? Buttonwood stands for a tree, and it was a tree. Why? Because there was a tree that stood in Wall Street that they did their business, that they signed the document under. So the foundation of American power in finance is linked to this buttonwood. And many people on Wall Street know this. So what kind of tree was it? It was the sycamore, the same as the sixth harbinger that was struck down on 9/11. This was the symbol of the striking down of the financial power of America. And not only that, they make signs appear. They make this bronze statue of the fallen sycamore, of the roots, the symbol of uprootedness, and they place it, not on Ground Zero. They place it on Wall Street. So now on the place that is the foundation of America, of its power, financially, of a place that was symbolized by a sycamore tree, living, the rise of America, now is a symbol of a dead uprooted sycamore tree, struck down by 9/11, the sign, “I will expose its foundations if America does not turn back, America will lose its financial place in the world.”

SID: Progressive judgments. Wait until you hear about the vows and the people involved in these vows that line up with exactly what ancient Israel did. But it happened right here, in the U.S. of A. Don’t go away. Be right back.

Ron: People remember what happened up in Oklahoma when that terrible explosion took place it’s interesting again we’re on an April date but to me the 19^th but it was a tragedy beyond belief.  Bill and Kathryn Bronk, are Godly people; they were mourning the death of so many children because inside that building was a day care center and he opened his eyes and he said to his wife when he heard it happened he said, “There were angels everywhere, and they were tenderly caring for the victims; the angels were paired up and then he said that he saw angels carrying these children you know home.”  And he said, “The largest concentration of angels in his vision of that building of what he saw was at the daycare area; and they were still arriving.” And he said that, “He saw hundreds of angels, but it was just a powerful vision.”  And describing that by the way there are paintings out there on line that people can see of what he saw there, but it’s in line with what the Bible says in Matthew 18:10, “Take heed that you don’t despise these little ones, for I say to you that in heaven, their angels always see the face of My Father who is in heaven.”  Now I know people have said, “Well, if they had guardian angels why did they get killed?”  Well, that’s another subject, but there’s no scripture for an angel guarding children all the time from every evil that comes.  We just know that that isn’t what they do, but they behold the face of the Father.  In other words, they are concerned about that child and I believe that we can pray protection around our children.  I believe what happened to Alfred Murray Building; this man had a vision of the angels capturing those little souls and taking them to Glory.  And I really believe that especially until that child reaches the age of accountability, when they are in that young preschool age, they are watched over by angels and angels guarantee their conveyance to Glory.

Sid: Now, I’m just curious as a pastor you’ve been with many people that have died or in the process of dying, have you ever had anyone tell you, “I see the angel coming for me?”

Ron: Oh, yes, on more than one occasion, I’ve had that happen.  One of the most exciting things that every happened to me.  I was a young preacher and I went into a room with an old retired Methodist preacher to visit him and he was at the point of death and kept telling the nurse that there was an angel in the corner.  And I have to confess even though I didn’t want to recognize it back then, that there was kind of a light over in that corner of his room.  And he told me, he said, “I’m going home, so these angels have come to take me home.”  And a…

Sid: And a lot of believer’s say now, I know that I’m going to heaven and I don’t care much for the process of dying, but I have a little have intrepidation and fear you couldn’t have any fear if you see the angels ready to take you home.

Ron: There is no fear in death for the believer, I’m not saying that we are ready to go    , but I think that there is dying grace at that moment that we come to that place that God gives us tremendous peace.  You know even Elijah was ruptured, but angels came to get him.  And the heavenly beings we are not going to be alone, that’s the thing that people fear, that we are not going to be alone, the angels are there, to escort believer’s home.  The most; we had a child in the hospital in the children’s hospital in the Birmingham, Alabama which is one of the best children’s hospitals in America.  This child had Reye’s syndrome and it had taken its kidney’s away and its brain comatose so we had prayed for the child’s healing, but the child was not healed and so I came back to visit and the parents asked me to go in and see the child right before the child was about to pass and so I went in and I came out and I said, “

Well I visited Christy, and she didn’t respond but I said there were two medical people in there.” (ha-ha) the parents said Brother Ron, the parents said, “There was no body in there.”   And I saw two beings in white and I wasn’t paying any attention to them, but the two people in white looked like medical people to me standing there.  But a few minutes later she went home and I believe they were her angels who come to convey her home.

Sid: You know, you’ve had so many experiences with angels; tell me about what happened in Guatemala.

Ron: That was recent, we have a mission work in Guatemala, we have an orphanage there and other things that we do and I had gone down and really it was my first trip.  We had had medical teams and so forth and I went into having youth rallies and I was preaching and teaching pastors and so we got there and there was worship going on and about an hour and a half into worship the tone began to begin to change.  Just like we talked about things that are happening here and they began to sing in the Spirit and the angelic accompaniment begin and then I began to see these orbs of light just going overhead.

Sid: Has anyone taken pictures, still pictures in your congregation and seen lights in those pictures?

Ron: Yes Sir, there are some that have and we have from Brazil as well when our young people to where our young people were in Brazil they saw the orbs.

Sid: Many people actually for some reason on a photograph you can see these lights all over.  Ron: That’s right and see I saw, I saw the Brazil lights before I went to Guatemala and I thought   well, you know maybe it’s something was wrong with the camera lens (chuckle).  But I’m going to tell you I saw them in Guatemala and…

Sid: Now on a picture, you saw them with your eyes.

Ron: I was there and it was glorious and I mean just glorious. I mean just glorious and what happens when worship really breaks through and the heavenly dimension time becomes meaningless.  I mean the weariness of the way service is going long that changes and that’s when the strength really begins to flow in from the other realm and the anointing begins to flow in and the anointing begins to flow.

Sid: Do you think that is one of the reasons that the most popular churches are the opposite, the seeker sensitive rather than the ones where the glory breaks through where time has no meaning?

Ron: No meaning, and we’ve decided to have church here for people that want to stay, that they want to be at church.  And the people that want to leave they are free to leave any time they want to but I’m not going to dismiss a service because its 12:00 you know.  In fact we don’t dismiss service we just say folks if you need to leave fine we’ll be gathering back at 6:00 tonight.

Sid: You know, I would be afraid to leave your church, I would be afraid that I would miss something.

Ron: That’s the amazing thing that some people are so spiritually unaware that they don’t see what, they don’t see what the Holy Spirit is doing, but I’ll tell you there are people being saved here.  There are people coming to Christ.

Sid: What do you see prophetically is about ready to happen in the United States?

Ron: Well, I believe with all my heart that America has a hand in the last days and that would be another week’s program, I don’t believe that we are going to just vanish like some people do and I believe as long, if we can maintain our connection with Israel and I think that it’s vitally important for our survival as a nation.  And I’m a little concerned right now about our direction in terms of Israel and Jerusalem.  But I believe that if we can maintain that as a nation that our survival as a nation is greatly depending upon being obedient to the word of God.  And I believe George Washington, when they designed the dollar bill with the seal on the back you got the wings of an eagle and above it if you look at is a six pointed star and our first president believed that we were here to shelter the Jew.  And I think that it’s part of our heritage and I think that it’s part of what we do.

Sid: And you know in your book, you talk about the principalities’ of Persia which is modern day Iran.

Ron: That’s it.

Sid: Which is really that same principality hasn’t left, it’s still around.

Ron: That’s exactly right and it’s real interesting you know the angel in the book of Daniel said, that he fought the principality of Persia, which is Iran, there is no question about it.  And you know some people believe you pull down these territorial spirits, but I don’t know any of them that have been pulled down.  I believe that we fight the demonic that is in our atmosphere but I believe angels, we can dispatch Michael, we can cry out to principalities that are our angels that are our angelic hosts that are mighty warriors to fight against Persia and we need to ask God to dispatch angels into that battle, it is very interesting.  He said that when I leave the Prince of Greece will come.  This is Philips opinion, the Prince of Greece is Western philosophy, it’s a demonic spirit over the secular America, it is what I was before I was filled with the Holy Spirit, supernatural things don’t happen, we do it all ourselves.  We think through it, the Paganism, it is a western mindset, it doesn’t believe in the supernatural.  We are battling those two enemies still today.  We are battling the principality of Persia and Islam and in that part of the world and we are also battling the demonic intellectual the spirits over this world that is intellectual world, this Greek Philosophy approach that you think through it, figure out and if you can’t prove it is not there.  That’s the two enemies America is battling today.  We have a government unfortunately that’s bowed its knee to the secular humanist the spirit of Greece and we’re fighting an enemy on the foreign battlefield that’s a principality of Persia.  I believe that.

Sid: And so what you just described is where the action is in the invisible world and that’s why an intercessor releases angels based on the word to fight these principalities.

Ron: That’s exactly right and we have a prayer room and a healing room here in our church that we believe is always…

Sid: Well, tell me just the types of healings you’re seeing in your healing rooms.

Ron: Everything, cancer, deafness, diabetes, all kinds of goiters…

Sid: How about some of the Messianic miracles like people blind?  Are you seeing blind people  get their sight?

Ron: We’ve seen one person recover their sight from blindness, yes Sir.  And they weren’t totally blind, I want to be honest but there, in fact I got that call…

Sid: Woops were out of time again, it slips away.

Joan: I will be more than happy to that.  And what I want you to do everybody that is listening, to put your hand on wherever you hurt, now you may have a heart problem, a knee problem a shoulder problem, so as I’m saying that, if that applies to you place on that part your body and I will be laying my hand on that part of my body also.  I have had so many sets of lungs given out this week in the meetings, new hearts; people that came in people that couldn’t breathe or they had pain in their heart if they walked a few feet and they’re getting new body parts, they are getting new thyroid’s and so forth and so on.  And I want you to expect right now that you’re going to receive the area of healing whatever it is that you yourself are going to be completely healed and set free and you’re going to email Sid and let him know your healing that has happened this day, because of Jesus Christ, Yeshua.  Father, right now in the Name of Jesus I send the Word of healing in Jesus Name into every single heart every single home, every person that is listening right now in the Name of Jesus.  Father, right now in the Name of Jesus I am going to start with the head.  Father in Jesus Name I curse any form of brain tumors in Jesus Name; any form of scaring in the brain like from MS or from stokes.   I command all new brains; those that have been diagnosed with ADD, ADHD Father I speak a new wiring of their brain; any form of just mental memory loss; any king of memory problems Father in the Name of Jesus I speak health and wholeness.  And Father right now those that have been dealing with chronic headaches, and migraines, Father in the Name of Jesus I curse any spirit of migraine, I command it to be gone in Jesus Name, in Jesus Name.  And Father right now in Jesus Name I speak health and wholeness to the ears, I command hearing, to be restored; I curse any form of deafness in Jesus Name and Father there’s some people here that are dealing with infections in their ears that goes down like into their throat also into the lymph nodes.  Father, I send the word of healing for all that to be open up; any form of infection to go in Jesus Name, in Jesus Name.  Father in Jesus Name I speak new thyroid’s in, I speak new thyroid’s in, I command any thyroid cancer to go in Jesus Name and Father in Jesus name I speak new thyroid’s I command those goiters to those that have had chronic coughs and sore throats I command health and wholeness in Jesus Name.  Father I just speak new esophagus; every bit of situations dealing with the digestive system, from going in the mouth to the exiting out, Father in Jesus Name new esophagus, thin tour muscles around the stomachs, new stomachs, upper intestines, lower intestines.  Father health and wholeness, diverticulitis is commanded it to go in Jesus Name; every bit of chromes disease, all polyps are commanded to leave and any form of growths are commanded to go and all cancer is cursed throughout the body where it might be in Jesus Name.  And I curse any prion in the bodies Jesus Name I speak health and wholeness to brand new hearts physically and emotional hearts in Jesus Name.  I speak new lungs, I command every bit of emphysemas, COPD cancer to leave those lungs in Jesus Name any form of neck problem, all the way down to the tip of the spine I speak new vertebras to come in new disks to come in; the back to come into perfect alignment in Jesus Name.  I curse any form of degenerative disk disease or osteoporosis in Jesus Name.  I command to height to be restored to those bodies that have been shrunken because of osteoporosis and the lessening of the disks in the vertebrae’s.  I speak height restored in Jesus Name, I command pelvic areas to come into alignment; female organs and prostrates to function properly in Jesus Name.  New livers, new stomachs, new kidneys in Jesus Name; every single joint; he says that He’s going to store and I speak health and wholeness to the knees to the elbows to the wrist to the shoulders; all rotator cuffs that need to be repaired and replaced I speak them in.  And I speak health and wholeness into the ankles and even into the knuckles of the toes in Jesus Name, in Jesus Name I curse any form of plantar fasciitis and all that inflammation to go Achilles Tendons to be completely healed and restored and every bit of pain whether it be physical pain or spirit of pain; it’s commanded to leave this body in Jesus Name and Father we give You the glory for healing these people from the top of their heads to soles of their feet and say thank You Jesus, thank You Jesus, thank You Jesus for healing me.

Sid: Thank You Jesus

Joan: Thank you Jesus for healing me, Father we give you the glory for this in Jesus Name.  Hallelujah!

Sid: Well, the presence of God is so strong, but I’ve been thinking about a prayer that you prayed earlier this week where you commanded things like trauma and fear to go.  Would you pray right now for all fear to leave even generationally, right now?

Joan: Yes, Father in the Name of Jesus I curse any form of trauma that has attacked any of these people in Jesus Name and the spirit of fear because fear can gripe us even from before we were born and I command every bit of that fear and rejection and fear of rejection to go in Jesus Name, in Jesus Name, Amen.

Sid: You know Joan, you talk about things in your two books that I’ve never seen people talk about; one in particular has to do with people that have had blood transfusions or even body part transplants; explain that.

Joan: I have had several stories let’s say of people that have received like, a new heart and like one lady and I share this in my book, “Power to Heal,” she had, she received a new heart, young lady; sweet lady and all of a sudden she got the heart and she had nightmares of being bludgeoned to death.  Same person night after night, after night, after night and so the police came in and a composite sketch of who the person was.  It turned out that whose heart that she had received was bludgeoned to death and because of the police the composite sketch and a few other little things you know, whatever they call that, I forget what they call it; but that it incremented the man who killed the first person.  They were able to identify him as to he was the one that actually killed the woman and even though it didn’t happen to the woman who received the heart the trauma from the death of the first person got transferred into the second one.  On the other side of the story there was a lady who she works at my office, a volunteer and her friend received a kidney the other day from a man who was horrifically murdered.  Well the kidney was removed from the man, they prayed over it and commanded every bit of trauma to leave that kidney then at that point the kidney went into the kidney went into the woman and had no nightmares, no nothing, received a pure kidney and it normally takes about a week or so for the kidney to work.  It started working immediately within less than a day, it was fully functional, no reaction, no antibodies, no nothing and it was an absolutely text book perfect transplant.

Sid: … Power to Heal” and your previous book, “Healing the Whole Man Handbook” …it is almost like going to one of your healing schools; what is your belief that would occur from someone that reads these books and does what you say?

Joan: Well, I believe that these two books work hand in hand together, and they fit perfectly together like if you were to put your two hands together and they basically put your two hands together in a motion of praying.  And when you get these books; get the information in your heart, in your mind then you yourself will walk out any healing that you need.  And the root causes and anything that is deep within your soul that hasn’t been dealt with before God’s going to take it all out so that we’re healed and whole, not just healed, but completely completely whole.  And then in addition to that the information that is there is going to equip you to pray for your family.  How awesome is that, to be able to pray for your family and see your family healed, but to be able to pray for your boss, the people that work with, where you shop, where you go to Church.

Sid: My guest in the studio is Red Hot for the Messiah, the Co Producer of It’s Supernatural Television and Messianic Radio, another Jewish Believer in Messiah, Janie DuVall.  And we’ve been reminiscing about how I came to the Lord and on the worst day of my life death looked better than life.  I didn’t have the nerve to take my life or I probably would have Janie, taken my life.

Janie: You’re right, you had no answers at that point; and yet you said someone gave you a little booklet of the four spiritual laws, you said you felt nothing, but you said that payer anyway, but then you went to sleep.  You left it with a cliff hanger, you went to bed full of fear for your life.

Sid: Well, just before I fell asleep, and by the way, I had gone out to a Jewish book store and I had bought a mezuzah, a silver mezuzah, I remember, I put it around my neck, you know what Christians do with these vampire movies is they put a big cross around their neck.  Well, I’m Jewish so I’m not going to put a cross around my neck; so I put a mezuzah around my neck and I had a Bible at this time and I had been reading a little bit of the Bible.  And I put the Bible under my pillow and I called my wife, who I was separated from for a year, Joyce.

Janie: Now, what did she think when you called her out of the clear blue?

Sid: Well, I wasn’t going to tell her what was going on because, again I had nowhere to go there was no one I could tell.  I figured everyone would think that I was crazy; so I wasn’t going to tell them how crazy I was.  And so I called my wife; and I said, “Joyce it’s bad and as I explained my wife was…

Janie: Yeah, she was really nice to answer the phone.  Ha-ha-ha.

Sid: Well, she could hear in my voice that I had a problem.

Janie: That you were desperate.

Sid: And my wife, as I explained on yesterday’s broadcast was raised Baptist and when she got to college she had atheistic professors and so she became an agnostic; she was afraid to say she was an atheist just in case; so she would call herself a Southern Baptist Agnostic and then when we got married, I insisted that she convert to Orthodox Judaism.  And she would say, “Well, Judaism doesn’t mean that much to you.”  But see she didn’t understand, that religion didn’t mean much to me, even though I was raised Orthodox, but being Jewish meant something to me.  She couldn’t understand it because there’s a difference between being Jewish and loving, and going to the Orthodox Synagogue.  There was something in me that wanted to always be Jewish and so she said “You convert,”  “My family wouldn’t understand.”  I said “No, that is non-negotiable you have to convert, so she converted to Orthodox Judaism, so you might say she was a Southern Baptist Agnostic Orthodox Jew.

Janie: That’s a mouthful and I couldn’t say that.

Sid: That did not know Jesus so I call her on the phone, she can tell I’m really desperate and I said, “Joyce, will you pray for me?”  Now she was really confused, at this and she said, “Yes, and she hung up the phone and I hung up the phone.”  And like I said, “I didn’t care whether I lived or died, life was just too difficult,” and I went to sleep.  Now, she told me, after that she did not pray, but then her conscience got the better of her and she didn’t pray because she didn’t really believe in God.  And so she said, “You know I promised him,” and she is a very honest person.  And so she said, “I will pray for him.”   And so she prayed for me, I went to bed, I didn’t care whether I lived or died, now this is my story, it’s a true story, it happened a long time ago over thirty-five years ago, but I remember it as if it happened last night.  I woke up, I didn’t know what to expect, and the first thing I realized is I wasn’t afraid.

Janie: Oooh, wow.

Sid: I mean, I went to bed so afraid that I wanted to die, and I woke up so alive I wanted to live; and it was as if there was a presence in my room, of love, of liquid love.

Janie: Did you think it was God right away, did you think it was Jesus?  What did you think?

Sid: I knew it was Jesus, I knew it had to do with Jesus because, oh I forgot to tell you, I said a two word prayer when I went to bed, it was the best prayer I could come up with, “Jesus help.”

Janie: That’s actually a very powerful prayer.

Sid: That was the last two words I said when I went to bed, when I woke up it was like there was, if I wanted to worry, if I wanted to be fearful, if I was forcing myself to, I could not there was so much tangible, you could feel it.  The atmosphere was tangible, it was pregnant with the presence of God and I couldn’t worry about a thing.  And I just had this knowing inside Janie.  I absolutely knew.

Janie: Did you want to start telling people at that point?  Or did you think they would think you are crazy, still?

Sid: Nay, nay I didn’t want to tell anyone anything, I was just so happy that I knew Jesus, and that He rescued me and I knew it, I absolutely, I didn’t know that much about Jesus, but I knew it had to do with that prayer, Jesus help.  And then I heard the audible voice of God for the first time in my life and this is what He said, “Return to your wife and daughter.”  And Janie, my marriage was bad, so I didn’t want to do that, but I was so grateful to God I would have done anything that He said and so God restored my mind, God restored my marriage, God restored my family, God restored my health, and I can tell you that today, I’ve been married over forty-three years; we just celebrated our Forty-third wedding anniversary.  My daughter is now married to a man that knows the Lord, and I have three Grand-daughters; I mean I am one grateful Jewish person.  And then, I wanted to tell everyone about Jesus.

Janie: But what did your parents think a nice Jewish guy, I mean, what did your parents think now, you are believing in Jesus?

Sid: Well, my Father you have to understand was born in Poland and he used to tell me the story of his Father, my Grandfather when he would walk by churches in Poland, he would spit at them.  And the reason he would do that, is because the anti-Semitism from people who call themselves Christians was so ferrous over the centuries involving Jewish people my father literally could not comprehend that his son raised in a good Orthodox Jewish Synagogue, Bar Mitzvah would believe that Jesus is the Messiah.  Now my mother would have accepted me, no matter what, she wasn’t thrilled over it, but she accepted me, but my Father was just terribly ashamed because I immediately started as a bold witness for the Lord.  I was telling everyone about Jesus and…

Janie: And then being in the newspaper and the whole world now knowing that…

Sid: This is just isn’t just a newspaper, it was the front page of a major newspaper in Washington, DC.  And there was shame, when he knew that I believed in Jesus, but when I became so outspoken, and then got on the Kathryn Kulman television show;

Janie: Now everyone knew.

Sid: I did a couple television shows with her and he was mortified, my mother accepted me and it’s very interesting; whenever my mother would get sick she would ask me to pray for her.  I remember a couple of times that come to mind, one time I saw her with bags of groceries and I saw her fall down and I came running out of the house and you know, helped her up and her leg was cut, it was swollen, it was black and blue and every color of the rainbow, it looked awful.  I said, “Mom, can I pray for you?” she said, “Sure.”  So I put my hand on her knee and I said, “Jesus, and I was almost afraid to move my hand away Janie, because I didn’t really believe that she would be healed,

Janie: Wow.

Sid: And I moved my hand away and the leg was normal.

Janie: Here your mother just got healed and you weren’t even sure if it was going to happen, what did you think?  What did she think?

Sid: Oh, I was just praising God and then every time she would get sick; and then my mother became an evangelist even though she didn’t believe in Jesus.

Janie: Did she tell my Dad?

Sid: No, she did not tell my Dad, but she would tell all of her friends and when they would get sick I would pray for them.  And then I remember my Aunt Rosie; my Aunt Rosie had mental problems and she spent most of her life in a mental institution; and one day the doctor, the Jewish doctor, I might add said, that my Aunt Rosie had to have her toe amputated because she had diabetes.  So my mother said, “Can we wait, I want my son to pray for her?”  And the doctor said and this is a quote, “Not even Jesus Christ could save that toe.”

Janie: Oh, wow.

Sid: So the next day I prayed for Rosie and before God Janie, she never had her toe amputated.

Janie: So you were seeing miracles from the beginning.

Sid: From the very beginning, I mean and I am well there’s another role coming just before the Messiah returns and that’s why I’m so excited about the update of my testimony…