Sid: We want everyone everywhere to have such a Spirit of boldness they’re not ashamed of the gospel. You see before I started this radio interview I was in a store and I just started a conversation with a woman next to me and she was from Brazil and everyone’s around there watching us. And I led her to the Lord and it was so easy I thought “How can it be so easy?” I just believe my guest by the way is Robert Gay; Robert I believe that we’re coming into a new season of God. I sense it; what is God showing you?
Robert: Well, I believe that we’re definitely coming to a great outpouring of the Holy Spirit. And I believe that God is setting us up right now for the greatest awakening that we have ever experienced.
Sid: But you know the reason that I’m interviewing you is because God spoke to you recently something that you were almost was shocked over. But if people don’t get this connection they may miss the great outpouring of God’s Spirit. And what God spoke to you was about the connection between grace and the Ten Commandments. “What did you think when God said to you?”
Robert: Well, I was actually of course I had been pasturing at that time when God spoke that to me which was about 3 years ago. I had been pasturing for about 13-14 years and of course I have been in ministry for much longer. But I had never really focused any type of attention on the Ten Commandments. You know occasionally would have a message that I would teach on one of the Commandments whether it had pertained to the Commandments. But I had never actually did an entire series or focused much attention on them what-so-ever. The Lord began to speak to me about the connection between grace and the Ten Commandments and it really caused me to get into the Word even more. I’ve always been a student of the Word but it really caused me to begin to study that out and really begin to search the scriptures and begin to see what Jesus had to say about the Ten Commandments. And of course Paul spoke of the Ten Commandments; James spoke of the Ten Commandments and you would think that when God gave the Ten Commandments that he could have said anything. He could have made a commandment to…instead of just having Ten Commandments there could have been 20; there could have been 100 or more. But there were 10 very important things on God’s heart and those are the things that He originally carved in stone and now because we’re born again they are now written upon our hearts.
Sid: Yes, but there are many Christians that have literally cut out the Old Testament portion of the Bible. What would you say to them?
Robert: Well, I would say that the only Bible that Paul ever preached out of was the Old Testament. And we know that everything that was ever written there in the Old Testament there they are written there for our example. The Bible says that Jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever. I think that it’s very interesting that we hear these phrases the Old Testament God verses the New Testament God. And you almost think from hearing some people talk that God’s a schizophrenic. It’s like He was one way in the Old Testament and now He’s another way.
Sid: Well, you know a lot of Christians are confused on this because we read in the Old Testament the way God destroys whole groups of people. And then in the New it says that He’s love; and then the only conclusion that a lot of people come up with is He was schizophrenic.
Robert: (Laughing) Well, of course one of the things that I’ve always said is John 3:16 which is a very familiar passage of scripture to all believers. “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son.” We have to remember that was the God of the Old Testament that did that. There was no New Covenant that God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son that whoever would believe in Him would perish but have everlasting life. So you have to realize that anything and everything that God has ever done has always been birthed out of a heart of love. It’s because He loved the Man He created; the wages of sin is death. And so sin always brought forth death; destruction; and brought forth the curse. However, obedience to whatever God declared, obedience and adherence to what God spoke always brought forth the blessing that He desired to pour out on man. We have to understand that God has always been and will always be a blesser and He will always and has always been one who loves all of mankind. But we have to aline ourselves to receive that and do the things that are necessary in order to take full advantage of His blessing that He desire to bring forth within our lives.
Sid: Now you said, that people must understand the connection between grace and the Ten Commandments or they may miss the great outpouring of the Holy Spirit that’s going to hit the United States. And interesting enough you said Israel too.
Robert: Yeah, I believe what the Lord is going to do in these days that we’re living in and we’re coming into I believe that we are right now very ripe for the greatest outpouring. You know the Bible says “Wherever sin abound grace did much more abound.” And and so I believe that we are positioned right now for a great outpouring of the Holy Spirit. I believe there are millions that are going to come into the Kingdom of God. And of course this is my personal opinion I believe there is a connection between the Church and Israel. And I believe what God does within the Church I believe it is reflected in Israel. And vice-versa what God does in Israel begins to be reflected within the Church.
Sid: Well, I have to tell you my spiritual DNA says for-sure not believe that you’re being kind Robert. I go so far as to say “If you don’t understand God’s plan for the Jew and Israel and the last days and you end up on the wrong side of the fence you’re going to end up on the wrong side of God.
Robert: Yeah, I agree with that and I think that it’s real important for most Christians law has almost become like a cuss word. It’s become like a profane word. What we have to understand is that law is not a bad word; and the Ten Commandments are something that God released in the Earth in order to produce life. It’s very interesting whenever the rich young ruler he came to Jesus and He asked Him the question, he said “What do I need to do in order to inherit eternal life?” And of course the Greek word for eternal life there is “Zoe.” It’s the life of God; we’ve learned that. And Jesus answers by saying this, “Keep the Commandments.” Obviously Jesus had and understanding of the importance of the Ten Commandments; because of course then the rich young ruler asked him “Which ones.” And Jesus begins to quote all of the Ten Commandments. And so Jesus makes a connection here between eternal life and may I…if we can define it this way “The life of God experiencing the life of God in the Ten Commandments.” What I’ve found there is a difference between being saved and then actually experiencing the very life of God. So we know we’re saved by the blood of Jesus. By believing upon the Lord; we call upon the Name of the Lord; we are saved; we are born again. And then to fully enter into the fullness of everything that God has for us then I believe there is this aspect of obedience God begins to expect out of us that brings us into that place of experiencing His life in abundance.
Sid: Well you go so far to say that to say that the key to life is keeping the commandments.
Robert: Well, that’s exactly what Jesus said. He actually again said when asked the question about eternal life and experiencing the life of God that the key to experiencing life; the Zoe of God was keeping the commandments. If you think about this on purely just a natural level; one of the Ten Commandments is “Don’t steal.” Well, the reality is “If you steal you end up going to jail.” That’s not what I call experiencing the life of God by being in prison because of a crime that you committed. Another Commandment is “Don’t murder.” You know obvious if somebody commits murder there are penalties that go along with that. And so what you do is you begin to take yourself out of the position to receive of the fullness that God has for you as a result of disobedience. Verses whenever you obey then you align yourself to receive of everything that God has for us and everything that God desires to release within our lives.
Sid: You have found with the revelation God’s giving you of grace and the Ten Commandments that once people get this revelation the blessings of God literally overtake them. They move to new levels of intimacy with God; you’re a pastor are you finding that among your people that hear you teaching?
Robert: Well, we are and the ones that we’ve found that have begun to apply these principals within their lives you begin to see them getting promotions on their jobs. You begin to see financial breakthrough happen within their lives; you begin to see healings come forth within their bodies. Because what we have to realize is that disobedience is always the door and sin is the doorway by which the enemy can come in and steal, kill and destroy. That’s what Jesus said. “But He said “But I’ve come that you might have life.” And of course that’s the word Zoe; and more abundantly. And whenever people begin to do what Jesus said; whenever they begin to obey what He’s commanded us. Whenever they begin to adhere to the commandments that God has given to us as believers then what it produces is great blessing; great breakthrough; miracles and a manifestation of the supernatural power of God begins to come forth within their lives.
Sid: Well, I can’t wait for our Mishpochah to get this full revelation; we’ll teach on it a little bit this week. I believe it’s necessary; it’s essential that you and your entire house understand this.
Sid: My guest Tom Horn, and I’ve interviewed him previously on his book in reference to the Malachi prophecies and the current pope but that was mild compared to the new book that we have got. We have been exclusively given the privilege of being the first to offer this book; it’s called “Zenith 2016.” On yesterday’s broadcast we found out that the organization behind Free Masons has a god it’s not Jesus; it’s not the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, but it’s the god the New Testament refers to as the anti-Christ. I know this is hard to believe because I have relatives that are Masons, you have relatives that are masons. But we found out the lower level Masons which are most of them don’t even have this secret information. I’ve always thought that all of the founders of the United States, or most of them were Christians, but you say the influential ones were Masons and they had this secret plan to inaugurate the anti-Christ. Tell me about the early founders of our country.
Tom: Well, that’s absolutely true and nobody will be able to read this book and doubt that because we only use substantial even government records to verify the points that we make how we uncovered members from the Masonic order over 200 years ago who in fact committed to a plan. And by the way up until this present hour there remain those who would call themselves true believers in this ancient scheme. And what’s even more interesting and that why the titles you know how the dates 2012 and 2016 are on the cover of the book because they even had dates that predicting for 100′s of years and other occult societies for 1000′s years in which they believe this occult dream would be launched. And so to answer your question what I did was I started in this research was going back and establishing the fact there was an occult vision. And this was a small group of men it didn’t represent most Americans it just represented a majority of those that were signers of the Declaration of Independence. And at least probably 56 of those that were signers of the Declaration of Independence were Free Masons. They were dedicated to setting aside this new continent according to what they call an “Atlantian Scheme.” This vision was based on the works on the works of Sir Francis Bacon; Bacon was an occultist, he was an English philosopher, he was an author; he was a Rosicrucian. But his most famous book was “New Atlantis” and this was printed in the 1600′s. What it did was it portrayed a very utopian vision; and it was one that the European secret societies became obsessed with. And basically it’s a vision of a world government, a New World Order, and it was established on what Bacon believed was the enlightened grandeur of ancient Atlantis. Now in Europe at the time there were really powerful intellectuals and they were kind of being dogged over there as occultist. And so what they did was set their eyes on America, the New World, where Bacon strategy could be unimpeded by those political realities on homeland. This is a fact that is established by Freemasonries own greatest writers; for instance Manly P. Hall. He’s considered to be the greatest Free philosopher ever in Free Masonry, he was a 33rd degree Freemason. He wrote about how Bacon had garnered this impressive following of wealthy Europeans who became dedicated to became dedicated to building the new Atlantis in America. Because he realized it was fresh it was on unattended you know it was beyond the Wild West; it was just a new continent. They could take the land away from the Indians and they could take the land away from the Indians and they could do all of that. And they could establish they’re great dream of building this philosophic empire. Now they referred to it as a new world democracy; but this was an occult version of democracy that would ultimately usher in a new golden age where in men would commingle with and be led by the wisdom of the gods. In fact when you read Bacon’s Atlantis it’s hard to imagine that he’s not thinking about that ancient story of “The Watchers” because he talks so much about our genetics. I mean we’re being blended with the gods themselves to give birth to a new form of man on the earth.
Sid: Now those that are not familiar with “The Watchers” explain.
Tom: That’s a story that goes back into the legends of every great culture; back to the beginning of time. It’s a story of gods that descended down from Heaven and they materialized from bodies of flesh; and this is a story that’s told from Rome, to Greece; before that to Egypt; Persia…
Sid: Yeah, but the Bible talks about the Nephilim; that’s the same story in the Bible.
Tom: It’s the same story; in fact I make the case that these other cultures basically robbed this story from the original revelation that was given to the Hebrews. But the Hebrews talked about them, they called them as watchers; Daniel refers to them as watchers. In the book of Genesis they’re called Benei hot Elohim, or the Sons of God. But it’s a story of these very powerful angles that left their first estate; left their place in Heaven where they were supposed to stay. Came down to the earth mingled themselves with humans and they gave birth to this part celestial; part celestial hybrid’s known as the Nephilim, the giants. Now the Bible says that it happened when man began to increase on the earth, daughters were born to them and the sons of god saw the woman’s beauty and they decided to take wives from among them to sire their unusual offspring. You can read about them in Genesis 6:4. But when that scripture is compared with ancient text from all over the world; the book of Enoch, the book of Jubilees; the book of Barach; the Genesis Apocryphon, which is part of the Dead Sea Scrolls that was found, Philo, Josephus, the Jewish historian, Jasher. All these other ancient records that tell the same story that these gods came down and they created the mighty men which were of all these giants that were the offspring of this unholy union. Some of the text outside of the Bible that complement the book of Genesis and that are accepted in some versions of the older Bibles tell us that they were part human and they were part animal genetics. And some even…
Sid: Well, that’s the most amazing thing because in your book you talk about how our government and we are funding university studies to combine animals with humans and come up with some sort of trans-human.
Tom: We absolutely are and in fact we should do a whole show on that sometime Sid. People would just be blown away if they know what is going on right now in the US government. For instance I doubt that the average listener know that in this year’s operating budget the 2013 DARPA which is an acronym which stands for the Defense Advanced Research Project Agency. It’s a very well-known department of the US government and they’re operating budget this year there is millions of dollars set aside to create the blueprint for rewriting the DNA of our soldiers for the purpose of creating battlefield super soldier’s DNA. Why would they want a blueprint to change the genetic makeup of our soldiers? Well, we can get in to that more…
Sid: Well, I want to know these early founders of America these founding fathers so to speak; why did they design Washington DC based on Mason’s symbols?
Tom: Well, because they were Freemasons and they were deist; most of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were not Christian in the traditional sense the way that we would think of them as most of us would think of them today. For instance George Washington’s own pastor when he did go to church wrote in his own memoir as far as he knew George Washington was a really good man; he was a nice to Christians; he was all that but he wasn’t a Christian he was a deist. And that’s true of so many of these other founding fathers; Thomas Jefferson if people want to know why Thomas Jefferson has his own version of the Bible what’s called the Jefferson Bible. It’s because he did not believe in the deity for Jesus Christ, he did not believe that He rose from the dead; he did not believe that He rose from the dead; he did not believe in any of the miracles. He thought that all of that was a corruption of an ancient text that simply told the story of this great guy by the name of Jesus and he thought that it was phooey.
Sid: And how about Ben Franklin?
Tom: Oh, now well Ben Franklin is another story all together; he was committed to some very dark maybe even satanic activity. I know that that is kind of hard for people to think about because he was one of the influential founding fathers.
Sid: You know this is an entirely different spin if you will of what I’ve been taught my whole life. I was taught all these founding fathers were strong Christians that’s why we had such a great country.
Tom: Well, Benjamin Franklin he did a lot of good things like your saying; he signed the Declaration of Independence. He was responsible for part of the Treaty of Paris; the US Constitution; he facilitated the American Revolution by publishing the writings of Thomas Payne who was another guy who completely rejected all of the divinity of Christ. But he was also without question deeply involved in Freemasonries and secret society. He was involved in secret groups on 3 continents that were involved in the war of independence. But he was a master for instance of the masonic lodge of Philadelphia.
Sid: But I tell you what, were out of time right now.
Sid: You know what is coming up this weekend? Pesach, Passover. We are told in scriptures that we are supposed to have this Passover celebration every year. Why? Because it’s a shadow of what the Messiah did for us, but it’s also a shadow of future events. I have my friend Dr. John Miller on the telephone speaking to him at his home in Tampa, Florida. He’s a chiropractor, but he has studied communion for 22 years. In effect the Last Supper was a Passover Seder. He has a teaching called the “Meal That Heals” with such deep rich understanding of communion. But this weekend begins Pesach, Passover, and I’ve asked Dr. Miller to show us the connection between the Lamb that takes away the sins of the whole world, the Passover Lamb, Yeshua, Jesus the Messiah, and healing, and communion. John what are some of the parallels that you have seen?
John: Well you know we see the Passover lamb as a perfect picture of Messiah crucified on the cross. Everything in the story up to that also points to the Messiah. For instance, the story begins when God called on Moses to go set his people free. Well, he was a man God sent to set his people free, so was the Messiah a man sent to set God’s people free. Moses was so much a type of the Messiah that their birth circumstances were identical. The ruling leaders had killed all young males 2 years old and younger. So Mary and Joseph had to flee to Egypt, and Moses had to be put in basket and sent down the Nile. So we see Moses as a type of the Messiah. Then Moses tells God that he is slow of speech and he can’t go talk to Pharaoh. So he says well take Aaron your brother, the priest, and use him as your spokesman. Now we find that Aaron becomes a type of the Messiah. In John 1 it says “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, and the Word became flesh and dwelt among men.” The Greek word for “Word” there is “Logos” which means spokesmen, not Rhema which means the spoken word used in other places. So we find that the Messiah was the spokesmen for God. Now Aaron is typifying the Messiah, he’s going to be the spokesmen for God. They were going to use Moses’ rod, which other places called Aaron’s rod and even the rod of God. Remember God told Moses to throw the staff down, the rod, and it turned into a serpent and he picked it back up and it turned back into a rod. Well even the rod represents the Messiah. Wood in the Bible represents humanity; the Messiah came in the form of humanity, and He was the authority of God. The rod that a person carried had their markings of who they were in the tribe and what their authority was. The Messiah was the authority of God. He even changed things for instance, “You have heard it said ‘Thou shalt not commit murder,’ but I say unto you ‘If you hate your neighbor you’ve committed murder in your heart.’” He kept repeating the things that I say are not mine, but what I hear from the Father. So the rod itself becomes wood, humanity, the authority of God. When they went in Pharaoh’s temple and they threw the staff down and it turned into a snake, Pharaoh’s magicians threw their staffs down they turned into snakes, but Moses’ rod swallowed up the other snakes. Then when Moses picked the rod back up it went back into a wooden staff. That’s a perfect picture of the Messiah. He came in the form humanity, wood, as the authority of God, and when He went to the cross when He took our sins in Him He was made to be sin for us, Who knew no sin. He likened in John 3:14 Himself on the cross to the serpent that Moses raised up on the pole in the wilderness. “As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so shall the Son of man be lifted up.” So…
Sid: I’m reminded that story when Moses did it it said if you would look at, I think it was a brass serpent, everyone that looked at it would be healed.
John: Right. So this staff went from wood to a serpent. Now when Jesus was on the cross he was in the form of serpent so to speak He was the essence of sin and evil. He took our sin in His own body so when He was on the cross He defeated Satan and all of the demons. So while Jesus was in the form of a serpent He defeated Satan, then He died and was resurrected back into flesh and bone. He said “Touch me, handle me I’m flesh and bone.” So that staff went from wood, humanity and the authority of God, to a serpent swallowing up the other serpents, then back into the form of the staff, the wood and the authority of God. So the staff pictures the Messiah leading right up to the 10 miracles that were performed, I see that as the law. Paul said “The law doesn’t free you, it only condemns you.” The 10 miracles that Moses performed did not free God’s people it took the blood of the lamb over the doorpost and the death angel coming through that night to free God’s people. The instruction that was given to Moses was “Take the blood and put it up over the lintel and the side posts of the door, then roast the lamb and eat yea all of it even the pertinents thereof.” So we’re told by Jewish history the way that they roasted that lamb they put it on a vertical pole, they split the chest open they pulled the chest apart and put a cross bar in. They took the intestines and wrapped around the lamb’s head. Now we have a perfect picture of the Messiah on the cross, remembering he had our sin in Him and the ultimate end to sin is the lake of fire the Bible says. So what did they do with that lamb that represented the Messiah with our sin? They built a fire around him and engulfed him in fire, and roasted that lamb. Then they had to eat it, all of it. The Israelites at that time didn’t understand what type and shadow they were doing, but from God’s perspective when those Israelites at that roasted flesh of that lamb representing the Messiah, they made an identity with the redemption that was done by the Messiah when they left Egypt, Psalms 105:37 “They came out with silver and gold and not one infirmed one among them.” So the blood of the lamb saved their life, and the flesh of the lamb when they ate it healed them. So that’s why Paul could say in 1 Corinthians 11 “When we discern the bread, which represents the body of the Messiah, when we discern that body was beaten for our healing,” Matthew 8:17 says “Himself took our infirmities and bore our sicknesses and by His stripes we are healed.” When we come to the communion table and don’t discern that bread represents the body of Christ that was pictured by that body of that lamb, then we eat the bread and drink the wine and walk away from table unhealed.
Sid: A lot of people, at least myself, I was always taught to discern the body means if you ever done anything wrong to another member of the body of Messiah. What you’re saying is a far greater truth that is, discern thee body of Messiah and what He did for us. So that’s why many are sick or even dead because they don’t discern what the Messiah did for us. That’s so much different than the way I was originally taught.
John: Yeah there is a truth in what is taught in that discerning the body… let’s say you weigh 350 pounds and God spoke to me and said “You better tell Sid to cut back on his eating or he’s going to die prematurely” and you don’t listen to me as part of the body of Christ, there’s a truth in there, but it has nothing to do with what Paul was teaching here. He said “He that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself.” Not discerning the Lord’s body you’re eating the body. It’s talking about participating in eating the body of Christ it has nothing to do with the other elements of the body of Christ.
Sid: So you take communion every day I know John. Do you ever find yourself falling into ritual rather than discerning the body?
John: You know what’s funny about that Sid, I’ve heard ministers come against saying “Well if you did it every day it would become ritualistic.” I’ve never heard one person that every took communion daily say that.
John: Derek Prince took it daily, Smith Wigglesworth took communion daily. Anyone that takes it daily just has such a reverence for it.
SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest has tapped into a frequency from Heaven that causes demons of depression, demons of fear, demons of worry, demons of anxiety to flee as in terror. Now my guest is John Waller. You’re probably familiar with John because he sang and wrote the lead song for the movie, “Fireproof.” But what you don’t know about John is when he was 12 years of age, he broke up with a girlfriend and it crushed him. And his mother and his grandmother suffered from horrific depression. I mean, your mom was in bed. You have memories of long periods of time she was so disabled by depression.
JOHN: Days at a time she’d be in bed. She was up and down, and that was the normal in our home.
SID: So he gets a little depressed. He breaks up with a girl and his mother ships him off to the doctor. In 30 minutes or less, the doctor gives him a lifetime diagnosis. He has to take medicines, four or five medicines. What was the diagnosis he gave you in 30 minutes or so?
JOHN: Bipolar disorder based on family history, based on just what I told him as to how I was feeling. Having experienced rejection for the first time from a girl obviously I was feeling a lot of natural things. But based on those feelings and family history he was quick to diagnose me.
SID: Okay. You have a desire to write songs, worship. You’re married, you’re 32 years of age and a deal, a record deal that was going to be, a man with a big cigar was going to make you a star, a movie star. What was his name, Colonel something or other. But it didn’t quite work out that way and you went into a tailspin. You had been on medicine for most of your life now for this condition that was diagnosed. It was actually a word curse is what occurred, because his mother said, when she saw him depressed, what were her exact words?
JOHN: She said, “He’s got it.” She said, my father heard her in the other room. She said, “He’s got it, I can just tell.”
SID: That curse, 20 years of medication. So he doesn’t get the deal. He goes into a tailspin and a couple sent by God comes into his house and prays for him. What happened?
JOHN: Well I had been prayed for before, but not like this. When this couple prayed over me, they anointed me, my head with oil. They said, “We want to pray for your deliverance.” And so I had never even really heard that term before. People had said they wanted to pray for my healing before. But this was a different kind of thing. It was deliverance. When they prayed for me I felt the power of the Holy Spirit come upon me and I felt heat in my body. And when they were done praying I knew something had happened. I knew something had broken. I didn’t even understand what had happened, but I knew something had changed.
SID: Twenty years of this addiction and something changed. But he continued with the medication. But five months later, funny thing, he ran out of medication and he just didn’t buy any. So what happened, John?
JOHN: Well we had moved to Colorado. You know, my band, after the record deal fell through the band broke up. I didn’t know where I was going to go with my life. But I got an opportunity to move to Colorado and we took it, and we moved to Colorado. That’s where I ran out of medication. And I didn’t tell my wife. I just stopped taking it. I weaned myself. And probably six months later I just all of a sudden realized, you know what, God really did set me free. I really am healed. I really am delivered. And I turned to my wife and I said, “Guess what, I’m delivered.” She was like, what do you mean? I was like, “I’m delivered from depression. I haven’t taken medication in six months.” And she was like, you know!
SID: I think that isn’t even an exaggeration of what his wife… but listen to this. He had five children. One year later, he had nine children. Do you know what that took? It took crazy faith. And John, I want you to go to the music set because I love this song, because there’s another word for crazy faith. It’s called normal, as defined by the Bible or there’s a Hebrew word I like to use, meshugganah faith. John Waller, “Crazy Faith.”
JOHN [music, singing]: Oh God, I hear you. You really want me to walk up to that mountain… This is crazy. But her face in that picture, I said that’s our daughter. But we can’t swim this ocean, but you’re telling us to move. This is crazy, yeah. Lord, this scares me, yeah. But it’s gonna take crazy faith. So what if it costs everything. I’m stepping out. I’m taking the leap of crazy faith. Crazy faith. Wherever you may lead I’ll go. Lead me Lord. I’ll follow you. It’s gonna take crazy faith. It’s gonna take crazy faith. So what if it costs everything. I’m stepping out. I’m taking a leap of crazy faith.
SID: This sounds awful. Her pet dog bites off somewhere between a third and half of her, is it upper lip?
SANDRA: Upper lip.
SID: And will an upper lip grow back?
SANDRA: They told me the upper lip would not grow back. If it had been the bottom lip, it would reproduce itself. The upper lip would not.
SID: Okay. So they wanted to do half a dozen or so surgeries, plastic surgeries and she says, no, because the repercussion was it wasn’t going to look that good. But it looked better than it was because they sewed it back just so she could get out and it stopped bleeding, and her mouth was messed up. In 10 days, she had a conference. And I understand you spoke to your lip. Tell me how you did that.
SANDRA: I did. And when they tell me that nobody with a surgery, they said I’d never be able to smile again. I’d never see all my teeth again and I wouldn’t be able to speak. I’m a preacher. And but so when the conference came around, again, my nose is sitting basically over here. My whole mouth is lopsided. I can speak only out of the side of this little corner of the mouth. But I went over and had the conference, and I’m teaching them on healing, and I’m on, I’m whosoever is going after my what’s whatever, and in between me and my what’s whatever is a mountain. And the Bible says. “Speak to that mountain.” Well my mountain was this mouth and this lip. And so when I got to that place in the service teaching them how to grab hold of their healing, I turned around and said, “It’s every man for himself.” I turned my back to the complete audience, threw my hands up in the air and I began to tell that lip in the name of Jesus to move itself, because I had already been speaking to it, Sid. I had already told the doctor I would not look at any book that had any cleft lips or anything in it. I would not look at it. I would not get that picture in my mind. I had already put on every wall in my house a picture of me smiling, a beautiful smile of course, all over my house, and that’s what I looked at. That’s what I wanted in my mind. So when I turned my back on the congregation I began to command that lip, just like this, in the name of Jesus, I command you, lip in Jesus’ name to reform, reshape and to materialize, and to grow in Jesus’ name. I took my fingers and I began to speak to it. I command you to move. I command.
SID: All these hundreds of people, they’re watching you.
SANDRA: They’re watching my back, honey, ’cause I got my back to them. Hallelujah.
SANDRA: But there are screams and they are watching me. They are watching me.
SID: Okay. So you’re talking to your lip. Every man for himself
SANDRA: Every man for himself.
SID: What happens?
SANDRA: It moved. My lip moved. My lip moved. It didn’t move a whole lot, but it moved. I knew that it moved. I wasn’t even talking plain because I couldn’t even hardly speak and because all of my lips are glued to my teeth.
SID: So you’re kind of speaking from the side of your mouth.
SANDRA: From this little side of my mouth. I’m holding the microphone over here like this.
SID: How would you have liked to been at a healing conference and your teacher, your great teacher can’t even speak.
SANDRA: Right. And got black gut on top of that. Oh man.
SID: You were really concerned.
SANDRA: That bothered me bad. Yes, absolutely.
SID: Out of curiosity, what happened to the other people when they were speaking to their mouth or their problem?
SANDRA: Well of course, when it moved I screamed and yelled, because, praise God, because I felt it move. Well then they started praising God and screaming because they started experiencing healings. So it just supernaturally went all through the audience and everywhere. You know, that faith just began to just rise up everywhere.
SID: Now did you ever go back to that doctor?
SANDRA: I did.
SID: What did he say?
SANDRA: I went back as a regular schedule. I went back and he said, “What are you doing?” And I said, well, let me tell you.” So I told him what I was doing. I told him I was speaking to my lip and all this kind of thing and he said to me, “You still must look at this book with all these pictures because you will never be able to smile, dah, dah, dah.” And I said, “I will not. And I will look at pictures of me just with a beautiful smile. I will be able to smile. I will be able to speak. My God will do it.” And he just looked at me and he said, “Well whatever you’re doing, just keep doing it.
SID: How long, do whatever you’re doing and you’re doing it? How long did you do it?
SANDRA: About eight or nine months.
SID: Eight, would you have stuck with it like that?
SANDRA: Eight or nine months.
SID: Eight or nine months. And I want you to look, get a close up of her smile. Smile at this camera. Now that’s better than any plastic surgeon I know. I’ll tell you what—
SANDRA: Never had a plastic surgery. Never had anything done.
SID: But you know what the devil meant for evil, God used for good. Why do I say this? She learned a new way of praying that she’s going to explain to you when we come back. Don’t you dare go away.