Sid: And my guest you listen to him long enough he’ll make you red hot for the Messiah. All of this week we’ve been talking about the statistics of so many men and women of God have gotten themselves into a funk and they’ve gotten into hopelessness. And unbelief and their vision has died. And their but… there is a supernatural substance that God calls hope. It’s a brand new beginning for you and the reason you need this is because the greatest move of God’s Spirit this planet has ever known, you are prepared for; you have a destiny for, you are going to have a vision for; you have a purpose for. So forget that junk that the devil is throwing in your face, it’s time for you to make a choice. The tools you need to make the choice are in Dutch Sheets brand new book….I’m going to tell you something I tell you you’re going to be the happiest person on earth. Why? Your season is changing. My guest Dutch Sheets had two visions because of time I want you to merge them into one Dutch and tell us what God showed you.
Dutch: You know my hopelessness for America this nation and many nations, really the earth started changing radically in ’91. I was teaching just absolutely just a normal basic teaching, and all of a sudden I had the first open vision I ever had. I was not seeing the people in front of me with my eyes wide open I was seeing something else. It shocked me I started looking around turning my head; all I could see was this vision. People knew something was happening they didn’t know what. And what I saw was this huge stadium like a big football stadium maybe 50,000 capacity filled with young people. High School/college age, 20 something radically passionately worshiping crying out to God asking Him for revival “Save this nation. Save the nations.” Just unlike anything I had ever seen. And as I watched this meeting ended; they went to the parking lot and from the parking lot as they got into their vehicles they were transformed into balls of fire and were transported back to their home cities. And everywhere they went the fires of revival began to spring up. And I watched this and then I came back to be able to see, I shared it with the people and I heard the Lord say to me “Next month when you’re in Washington, DC I’m going to confirm to you that this is me that I’m going to send a third great awakening that begins with young people and I’m going to transform them. I went back to DC a month later for the National Day of Prayer. I was part of something called the Biblethon where the Bible is read 24-7 to the Capital building. A person signed me up for 2:00 AM that was all that was left.
Dutch: We figured you’d want to read the Bible to this nation prophetically there on the Capitol steps no matter what time it was. And the Lord said “This is where I will confirm to you that this is Me, this vision.” And I said “God, the only way I would know that this is You based on the scriptures you give me to read because of what You’ve been saying to me I’d have to read Haggai or Habakkuk.” And you don’t choose where you read you just read wherever they are they start at Genesis and they go to Revelation and then they go back to Genesis all week 24 hours a day. You don’t choose what you read; what are the odds of reading Haggai that’s 2 chapters and Habakkuk 3 chapters. What are the odds that you’re going to get to read it? I said “I’m sorry Lord, this is what I’d have to read to know that this is You talking to me. When I arrived the lady looked at me 2 minutes before my time shot; they weren’t anywhere near Haggai or Habakkuk. She looked at me and said “Mr. Sheets, you have your choice; you can either read the book of Haggai or the Book of Habakkuk.” I just about fell over on the steps. I don’t even know what she was saying. God sovereignly took over her mind and mouth and I realized this is God and He’s going to come to this nation with a mighty outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Well that was ’91 I thought it would happen the next week. But it was really to start me on a journey of prayer and intercession to become a prophetic voice for this nation. You know the next one the next phase of this hit me at all times the week of 9/11 2001. I went to preach a conference in the northwest again and I tell you it was Friday night of that week, it was like trying to preach at a funeral. The oppression that week was so thick over this nation. They were still digging through the rubble that everyone was in shock. And I was up to give them hope and I got up and I didn’t even know what I was saying but I had another open vision on the back wall. There must have been 1500 people there; on the back wall which I was facing as I was speaking. It was like an invisible hand begin to write and when it was finished it was literally to me like a neon light, I saw it. It was as real as a neon sign and it said “Acts 3:19” and as I watched it it began to flash at me on and off Acts 3:19. Well I knew what it said “Repent and return to Me.” Is what it’s implying in order that your sins be wiped away and times of refreshing will come from the presence of the Lord.” And I started preaching and declaring that verse, I knew what it said. So I started preaching this. “Times of refreshing there” The word refreshing doesn’t mean refreshing like we think of it; it means literally anasuta is the word. It means the blowing of breath or wind again intensely. God said “If you repent I’m going to send another wind which will blow intensely in this nation and bring life.” And then I closed my eyes and began to pray and it was like I was watching a movie. I began to see what was coming to America. And for 30 minutes I narrated the scene to the people and the leaders. Sid I saw the Spirit of God coming to this nation with strength and power. He started visiting High Schools, Junior High Schools, colleges, and universities. There was no place the nation that was immune to it. He came with life, He came powerfully, I started seeing signs and wonders, miracles. I started seeing young people delivered; now this is not just for young people it’s coming for everyone but I knew it would begin there. I saw mass deliverance. I didn’t have theology for what I was seeing. I saw large groups of young people all over the room they would begin to shout; Jesus just delivered me. They would come; they would lay down paraphernalia, drugs, transformed. Someone else would jump up and say “Jesus just healed me!” These were kids that didn’t know the Bible some of them didn’t know anything about scripture. They had no reference for what was happening, they were saved by the 1000’s. Listen it hit all over this nation; the fires of revival. I saw college campuses this was so radical and so strong sporting events were canceled, not that sports is bad the people didn’t want to go, they just wanted to go worship or pray or talk about what God was doing. I saw days and nights when there were no classes on secular compasses. Administrators would try to go stop this to get them to go to class. They would walk in the room and they’d be overcome by the power of God and couldn’t even talk. This went on and on and until the fires of revival was sweeping this nation. And listen it’s not just for America it’s for the nations! I’ve seen, I turned at one point to the leaders as I was watching this and I said “I’ve never seen anything like what is coming.” It will be greater than the first great awakening, and the second great awakening; we’ve never seen anything like it. And then I looked at the leaders and I said “This is going to be very difficult to steward because there was no religious box you could put it in, there was no denomination that could hold it. We couldn’t turn them into churchy religious people; they just loved Yeshua and were passionate for Him. And it is coming.
Sid: I have to tell you parents that are listening right now they see what the institutions are doing to their children; they see how bankrupt their kids are because they’re being taught there is no God; they’re being taught there is no morality. They’re being taught the opposite of God’s word and you have just with that vision injected supernatural hope into those parents right now. But it’s not just parents and children it’s every problem that you have; every problem that’s bogged you down, every bit of heaviness, everything. Your season is ready to change and the thing that’s going to do is when you are supernaturally injected with supernatural hope when you have the practical steps to move forward….
Sid: Now I’m going to ask you a question maybe you have observed this and maybe you haven’t. When I go to a church and I say “I want everyone to be really honest with me raise your hand if you’re believing God to be physically healed.” Do you know if they’re really honest with me I will have over 90% of the people raise their hands. I’m not discounting the miracles that happen in those churches. But I’m saying what’s the problem? And there is a problem and I believe that as my guest explains her walk and what she’s been taught by the Holy Spirit you will understand why this should not be and will not be. And perhaps the missing ingredient in you walking out what has already been granted you. Because your healing occurred over 2000 years ago will be what Katherine Ruonala will teach. Now Katherine is from Brisbane, Australia; she corrected me I said that she was from Brisbain. And Katherine said “No, it’s Brisbine,” and now I’m going to be okay in Australia. Or I’d have all of my Australian friends upset with me. Katherine just to kinda whet the appetite tell me about the time you were in Augusta, Georgia. You had a word of knowledge about a deaf ear.
Katherine: Well Sid we have seen so many people being healed of deafness and had deaf ears open. And I was doing a meeting and the Lord gave me a word of knowledge; it’s the word that I had for the evening that there was someone there with a deaf ear that needed their hearing restored. And a lady come forward but she actually had no ear she had had an operation to have her ear drum cut and her ear removed because of a cancerous tumor. I felt so intimidated when I looked and I saw the place where her ear use to be and her beautiful face shining and expecting God to give her hearing that I thought “Oh Lord what are You doing, I was…”
Sid: You didn’t show that to anyone I don’t think (Laughing) but the Lord knew.
Katherine: That’s right. So I went to pray for her and as I laid my hand on her ear, well the place where ear used to be, I felt the Lord say “Ask her if she can hear?” And I was saying to myself “Lord I have faith to believe that maybe You can grow an eardrum overnight,” but I really didn’t feel like I had a lot of faith to see such a major miracle. I’ve always learned that God smarter than I am and that His ways are higher and obedience brings blessing. So I went to pray for her and then I whispered into her ear I said “Can you hear me?” And she swung her head around and said “Yes!” And I said “Really?!” I was so surprised her hearing had been completely restored. And then suddenly in the room faith just rose up in the people, we started to have people come forward who had cataracts and they would just disappear in front of us. They got their eyesight restore. They had a man with crippled fingers had with arthritic fingers all curled up on top of each other, they had their fingers to straighten out and he plays the guitar now and the glory of God just came. You know God is so much more willing to heal then we are to see Him move. You give Him an opportunity and He takes full advantage when others come to Him for help.
Sid: Okay, I just wanted to give you a taste of what’s God’s doing with Katherine. But I’m going to take you back to age 12 you’re at a youth camp and you’re kind of struggling, what were you struggling with?
Katherine: Well I was brought up in Sunday School and I believed that God existed. I knew that He was real but I just got real with God; everybody was lifting their hands and worshiping and singing and I just began to speak to God and say “Lord I believe in You but I can’t see You and I don’t know You and it’s really hard to worship somebody I can’t see and don’t know.” Because I thought I can do what I know that I should but without a connection it just didn’t… it didn’t feel real to me. And so I cried out “Lord help!” You know help is still my very best prayer.
Sid: Hmm, and by the way that’s how I got saved my prayer was not a typical prayer; my prayer was a 2 word prayer “Jesus help.” (Laughing) That’s how I got saved.
Katherine: God loves to do that, in fact that’s who He is He always manifests Himself as the answer to anyone who comes and asks. And right there in the middle of worship the Lord just made himself real to me. I had a vision and the only way that I can really describe it is that I was blind but now I see. It was a supernatural revelation of God and knew who I was worshiping. I wasn’t worshiping somebody I had a concept about, I was worshiping somebody I knew and it was a supernatural thing. I believe what God wants to do for everyone that will ask Him.
Sid: Now everyone would think that you lived happily ever after but you had been abused and you had to leave your home shortly thereafter. And you were dealing with most of your life with insecurity, shame, fear, rejection. And one day you take a job teaching in a Christian school, they have orientation week, I guess and they gave you an assignment. What was that assignment?
Katherine: Well they said go away for 15 minutes and write down what the Lord says to you. And so I went away and I was talking to the Lord “Well what do you want to change, what do you want to fix.” And I heard Him speak to me so clearly He said, “I love you.” And I argued with God I said “Lord, everybody knows that even the “Beatles” wrote a song about Jesus loving you.”
Katherine: But come on God I’m serious here tell me tell me what You want changed, tell me what you need to fix in me. And for 15 minutes He said 3 words over and over again. I felt embarrassed going back into the room thinking well for the last 15 minutes all I’ve got is 3 words. But you know they were the 3 words that I needed to know more than anything. I was so full of fear, I was so full of rejection that the perfect love of God is what casts out fear and God was trying to say to me “I want you to know that I’m for you, that I love you that I’m not looking to be harsh on you; I want you to come close to Me and know that I’ve got the answer to all of your insecurities, all of your fears and I want my perfect love to just heal you and cast out all of your fears.” You know that’s what the scriptures says “I sought the Lord and He heard me and delivered me from all of my fears,” and so that was a beginning of a journey for me into knowing the love of God.
Sid: And so you get married to prince charming; you’re a young mother but all of that rejection; all of that fear; all of that shame it was still trapped inside of you. And one day you decide to ask God 3 questions; what were the 3 questions?
Katherine: Well I was driving to the meeting and I’d been reading about the Holy Spirit being my helper, my teacher, and so I thought “Well if You’re my teacher and Your my helper surely I must be able to ask You some questions.” You see ever since I had been saved I really knew that God helped me when I got real with Him, when I didn’t play religious games but talked to Him as my friend. So I said “Holy Spirit would you teach me about this falling down business.” I’d seen people in meetings fall down when people prayed for them and I didn’t know what that was whether they were courtesy drops or whether it was the power of God or whether they were pushed. I just sincerely wanted to know and it was a funny little question and I said to him “And Lord I got this gangrene tumor on my wrist and it was benign it didn’t have any danger but it was uncomfortable and I asked the Lord to heal me that night. Then I said this I said “Lord would you set me free from the fear that my husband would die.” Because I met this beautiful man who had signed a piece of paper that said that He would love me until he died. And naturally for somebody so needy for love my next thought was “What well what happens if he does die?” I just was plagued with this fear but actually it was a tip of a huge iceberg and that iceberg was based in all of that shame and the abandonment and the rejection that I had experienced.
Sid: So someone could look at you on the outside and said “Boy that Katherine Ruonala has it all together, wonderful husband, wonderful mother.” But on the inside you knew that something was wrong hold those thoughts. …. You’re going to stop struggling for the miraculous in your life; you’re going to learn to be a gateway that God can step right through. You will believe so completely in God’s love for you that you’ll be amazed if a miracle doesn’t happen. And you’re going to let God flow through you like never before it won’t be you healing someone because the truth is you can’t heal anyone….
Sid: Sometimes my conversations with my guest are better before I go on the air than after. So I want you to enjoy a little bit of the conversation I’ve been having with Dr. Paul L. Cox from Apple Valley, California with the Aslan’s Place Ministry. On yesterday’s broadcast you found out that Dr. Cox was a nice American Baptist Pastor, he got into the deliverance ministry. He found out that God gave him a supernatural gift of discernment that was transferable. He found out things, keys if you will, about people where he would be just praying with them and people would be in therapy for years and never get to the roots of their problem. And immediately the Holy Spirit would show these people, I mean 2 years old a woman was abused and she knew it. I mean without the supernatural help of God she’d be in therapy the rest of her life and never be set free. But instantly she would be set free. So we were talking before we went on the air and Dr. Cox explained to me about the Sabbath and I’m the Messianic Jew and he was explaining to me about the Sabbath. And he says there is a rest. There is a Sabbath rest and the book of Hebrews talks about this that he has entered into and it’s been corporate where members of his entire congregation have entered into this rest. That is beyond anything that most traditional Jews have ever even thought about let alone done. Or most traditional Charismatics have even thought about rather than even done. As a matter of fact Paul this is the way I see it. I am… I wrote a book before I became a believer, I’m sorry it was a song before I became a believer in the Messiah and then it became a book. And the songs title is “There Must Be Something More.” And when I found the Messiah 30 years ago and I found that something more. And there’s nothing more than the Messiah. But there must be something more to walking in the Spirit than what we have. There must be something more than the traditional church services that we have, there must be something more. And you told me that you’re walking into that something more, tell me again what goes on with this Sabbath rest that hits your congregation.
Dr. Paul L. Cox: What I did not tell you is that the first time this happened I was in a church of a good friend in San Jose area. And there were 5 of us and we were doing deliverance. And out of my mouth came these words, “Lord take us to the 4th dimension to do this deliverance.” And immediately all 5 of us felt like we were on an elevator and we were going up. And I was reminded then of that passage in Revelations 4 where the Lord said to John, “Come up here.” And he saw a door open and we literally started going up. And I had been in a very difficult time in my life and we had been very anxious about many things. And I felt like I was supposed to ask the question “How many of us can’t worry right now?” And we all agreed that it was absolutely impossible to have any anxious thought, we tried. I tried as hard as I could to be anxious and I could not be anxious. And we remained there for about an hour. Since then I realized that the Lord is inviting us to enter into the Shabbat, the Sabbath rest. And in Hebrews 4 it says “For you have not yet entered into My rest but there is a rest for the people of God.” And we have that now on several occasions in churches where I’ve spoken at the end of the sermon when we talk about the glory of God I’ve just asked the Lord to take us into the rest. And we will all feel like we’re going up. And the most amazing thing is the first time this happened people started laying down in the aisles everywhere. And for many minutes in fact throughout the service they’d lay on the floor totally at rest in the peace of God.
Sid: Now I have to understand what you’re saying here, I know about things like “Laughing in the Spirit.” And when people laugh in the Spirit many times they get physically healed, but it seems to me resting in the Spirit has got to be the most wonderful thing for the physical body that God’s given us.
Dr. Paul L. Cox: Yes. It is very very wonderful. It was interesting too that one national prophet said “The year 2002 would be a time of people entering into the rest of the Lord.” And it was in December of last year was the first time that we noticed this, it was 2001 December, the first time we experienced this in our congregation. And I feel like this is a year of people entering into rest, completely reliant upon the Lord, resting in Him. Not struggling but just in a sense resting in His bosom as we used to sing in the hymns.
Sid: Now, you know what I would like you to do on Friday’s show because that’s our Shabbat show, could we pray and experiment that we could all corporately as a radio Mishpochah move into this Shabbat rest?
Dr. Paul L. Cox: That would be an interesting experiment.
Sid: I’m looking forward to it. In the mean time you understand things about discernment, how important is discernment in the last days we’re living in?
Dr. Paul L. Cox: Well our Lord told us in the Olivet Discourse that if possible even the elect would be deceived. Also in the letters Paul talked to us about what will happen in the last days and how people would come in very deceptive ways. And I believe it’s important that we move in area of understanding knowing whether or not that something is really of God or if it’s of the enemy. I might add here that I feel like in the Pentecost and Charismatic Movement the Lord did many, many wonderful things. But perhaps the there was not a whole lot of discernment so error came in and the enemy intruded into what the Lord was doing. And since there was not discernment it was not easy to tell whether or not it was God. So I believe what the Lord is doing before the next, what I think is a great revival coming is that He’s releasing discernment so that we’d be able to discern whether something’s really are of God or not.
Sid: And I believe it’s going to be different, God will come in a different package so to speak that any of us have ever experienced so that therefore without discernment there is no way to tell is it God or is it not.
Dr. Paul L. Cox: Exactly, I really believe that. It’s interesting that a new move of God is really is a new move. And we tend to think that the new moves are going to be the same as the old moves but it usually is not.
Sid: Do you have any prophetic insight into what this next move will be like? What it will accomplish, how it will be different than what we’ve had previously?
Dr. Paul L. Cox: The only sense I have is that it will come very strongly on the youth, I think those that are maybe college age or below. This is going to be an amazing outpouring of the Spirit that’s going to be very shocking to the church. And these kids are going to become so radical that even adults maybe come offended.
Sid: Well hopefully some of the adults will become radical too, I mean there’s got to be some Joshua’s and Caleb’s.
Dr. Paul L. Cox: I keep on telling the lord “I want to be Joshua to help go into the land with the youth.”
Sid: Now you had a youth meeting I was told that you sort of get certain feelings before the meeting, tell me about it.
Dr. Paul L. Cox: Well we have what are called “Young Warrior Meetings.” And during these meetings even though we have a lot of notes and things to study, generally we don’t get to any of them because before each meeting the Lord comes and does something different. And generally just leads us in the direction that He wants to go.
Sid: Give me an actual example.
Dr. Paul L. Cox: Well there was one time when we were in Germany outside of Munich and I could feel the manifest presence of the Lord in a cloud. We have actually been able to discern the cloud of His glory coming, for me it feels very cold. As you know from the last part of Exodus that the fire is in the cloud.
Sid: So why would it be cold, it should be hot?
Dr. Paul L. Cox: The fires hot but the cloud is cold.
Dr. Paul L. Cox: And so we felt the cloud inside of the room and so I asked a young German teenager I believe he’s 14 to come and stand right in the fire. And so he stood there and he started trembling and shaking. There were about 60 of us in a circle around where the cloud of His glory was. And he started weeping. And so I said to him “What is going on, what’s happening? He said “The Lord is telling me to repent for my sins.” What I did not know is that he had been a very rebellious teenager the last few weeks before our meeting. His parents had tricked him into coming to the meeting. He had not been in church and had not wanted to go to church. Well the Lord came with such power and dealt with him that he actually started repenting, even though we had not talked about repentance. And then under the power of God he fell to the floor and we for several minutes watched this all going on. Then he stood up and I have to add he was radically changed.
Sid: If he wasn’t radically changed and it was just an experience so what, that’s the way I feel. But if he’s radically changed if there’s fruit, that’s what I want to see.
Dr. Paul L. Cox: And I believe this is what the Lord is doing today is that because of the nature of the church the kids want to see the reality of an experience with God.
Sid: There used to be a hamburger chain and they had a commercial “Where’s the beef?”
Dr. Paul L. Cox: That’s right.
Sid: And that’s what the teens and that’s what Joshua and Caleb are saying, “Where’s the beef?”
Dr. Paul L. Cox: That’s right. What I have found is that these kids not only are changed but the reports I continue to back is, is that they are different that their lifestyle is different.
Sid: Now why are people going to be offended over this? This sounds wonderful?
Dr. Paul L. Cox: Unfortunately there’s still a lot of religion around and I have in this particular meeting there is a man sitting in the balcony and he was like the naysayer saying “Well I don’t believe this is true.” And Pharisees are not just in the Old Testament or the New Testament. There are still people that no matter what they see, what fruit they see still will not believe that God can do something like that.
Sid: We’re out of time….
SID: Hello. Hello. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest had nine straight weeks of visitations of angels. He was taught by Jesus on how to pray for the sick. He heard things that are going to happen shortly in the future. Anyone interested in what he’s going to teach? Me, too. Now James Goll absolutely provokes me to jealousy. And James, you know you’re being biblical, because the Bible says that the Gentiles provoke the Jew to jealousy.
JAMES: That’s true.
SID: See, you’re just doing, he’s doing what he’s created to do. I mean, but all these visitations from angels, all the gifts of the Spirit, Jesus personally teaching him about healing. Prophecy just kind of erupted at age 20 in your life. You were filled with the Spirit. Do you remember the first prophecy you had?
JAMES: Yes I do, Sid. It’s really rather amazing. Because it was the first prophecy I ever heard came out of my own mouth, and it went something like this: “As it was in the last week of the earthly ministry of Jesus, he came to the Father’s house, he cleansed the Father’s house, and he released a declaration: ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer for all the nations.’ He turned over the tables, he went to the cage where the dove was held and he opened up the cage, and the dove was set free. And praise broke out amongst the children and healing became the children’s friend. So will it be in the last week of the earthly ministry of Jesus. In the Spirit he will come to visit the Father’s house once again and he will release a word: ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer for all the nations.'” And that is the first prophecy I ever heard and I still believe it.
SID: And not only that, it’s not only the first prophecy you ever heard, but I believe it’s ready to erupt right now. It’s a word for right now. And I can see why the devil tried to snuff out your life. He doesn’t like you. He doesn’t like your voice. He doesn’t like what you stand for. You had a condition called non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, and what was the prognosis for the doctors, at the worst?
JAMES: Well I remember that day real well, Sid. And I was in this hospital in the Nashville area and the doctor looks at me, he goes, “Well I want you to know,” real sober face, “I want you to know, no one has ever lived past 10 years with this diagnosis.”
SID: Now stop. What happened inside of you and what did you say when that happened?
JAMES: I looked at that doctor straight in the face and I said, “Well, you’ve never met someone like me before.”
SID: I like that. Don’t you? I like that.
JAMES: And then I looked right at that doctor with honor and yet with boldness, and I said, “And guess what? I’m going to be the first one who’s going to break that rule and I will be healed.”
SID: Well now, when you said that, between the two of us, did you really believe it?
JAMES: You know, well out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. And so you just open wide your mouth and He says he will fill it. So that’s what happened that day. And sometimes afterward, you’re going, what did I just say? So yeah, I believed in that at the time. And then I had to, like everybody else, work out my own salvation.
SID: However, he hears that a great surprise is coming. Who told you that?
JAMES: Well it was in a dream and the Holy Spirit spoke to me. He said, “I want you to keep the month of October free because there’s going to be a surprise that’s going to come your way.” I’m like, this is parable[-type] language. I really wasn’t quite sure what the Holy Spirit was saying, but I kept my month of October free that year.
SID: So what was the surprise? Don’t you want to hear what the surprise was?
JAMES: Well that month of October, a man from Africa named Pastor Suprisa, or we call it Pastor Surprise.
SID: Now hey, how much more specific can you get? Pastor Surprise shows up.
JAMES: And Pastor Surprise comes and he prayed personally for me, and when Pastor Suprisa, Pastor Surprise, who was a part of [unintelligible] ministries, prayed for me, fire started going through my bloodstream and it would rest over organs of my body, and then it would move, and it just went up and down throughout my body. And I had an open vision of the Lord Jesus Christ when Surprise prayed for me. Here was Yeshua Jesus and he was standing, as it seemed like in this experience, in fire. And he speaks to me and he says, “I want you to step in to the fire of my presence with me.” And so I like do this and but it was his invitation, and it’s while this fire of the Lord is moving on my body. And then he says to me, amazing thing, he says to me, “With every wound that I received, I obtained a special level of healing for my people.”
SID: I tell you what, hold that thought, because this is one of the greatest revelations I’ve heard on healing. And I’m going to have James share that when we come back.
Sid: My guest is certainly red hot for the Messiah. I’ve been speaking all of this week with Heidi and Rolland Baker. They have the most amazing miraculous ministry in Mozambique, Africa. Their ministry has seen over 17 people raised from the dead. They started… they don’t even know the number over 5000 churches. They have some 2000 orphans that they are responsible for feeding daily. And Heidi you’ve been teaching the words of Jesus on the Sermon on the Mount with real life examples. And as you share people’s hearts are being challenged, I mean all this week we’re being challenged with the shallow Christianity that we have in the west compared to the real thing. You were sharing in Canada and someone needed a new heart. Tell me about that person.
Heidi: Yeah, well it has to start with Shahango because I didn’t understand about impartation and I did know anything about that and I was just kind of complaining “Why are all of these people coming when we don’t even have beds for our kids and now we have to have these foreigners coming and we suddenly need blankets and beds for them.” And I was just kind of fussing, you know when you work with the poor you don’t always understand why all of these westerners are kind of tromping in needing things. And the Lord stopped me in my tracks very clearly He stopped me between an old dorm and a medical clinic. He said “Heidi, I’m sending them, prepare a place for them, impart My heart to them.” And I heard the word, He said “I’m sending them, prepare a place for them, impart My heart for them.” Then I realized that you know I’m just a little preacher in the dirt I’m nothing special but Jesus said “Impart My heart.” And if there’s anything I feel called to do is impart the heart of Jesus’ pure heart of Jesus that is so loving and so full. And I was in Canada and I was speaking about intimacy and the heart of Jesus and the Lord spoke to me. We see a lot of miracles and I love miracles, but most of all I love intimate love with my King and with my Savior and my lover Jesus. And I said “You know tonight God wants to give a physical heart.” And the Lord showed me this woman, I knew nothing about her. I didn’t know any of her medical history or why she was there and I said to her in fact I chased her, I ran after her and I said “Jesus says “He wants to give you a new heart, He wants to give you a new heart.” I see all the healing evangelists they line up people and knock them down.” I think that’s awesome but I can’t do that I just hug people (Laughing) so I held her in my arms and I just hugged her and I wept with her, and she wept and I wept. Well the next year I went back to that same conference and this lady had a couple of weeks to live, she had a very bad heart that was enlarged. And she came running up to me and she said “I got a new heart, I got a new heart look at these x-rays. She said “I was dying and I got a new heart” and she said “Best of all I got a new spiritual heart, my marriage is healed, my life is healed.” She said “I’m going to be a full time missionary.” And her husband and her were just so in love and they were just beaming with these pictures of this new heart that this lady got. And she got a physically new heart and a spiritually new heart. Isn’t God good?
Sid: Heidi I believe that if you were to pray and those listening if they were to exercise their faith you could impart a new heart, maybe it’s a physical heart. But for most important is a spiritual heart, intimacy with God and be able to love the way that Jesus loves. That’s what I hear, that’s what’s going on in your ministry, you see these street kids that no civil person in the United States would want to even touch. And yet you see Jesus.
Heidi: Hm. Oh I do.
Sid: We need to be changed and the “we” includes me.
Heidi: Oh, bless you. Well let’s just ask Him to come and do something. Do something wonderful like only He knows how to do. “Thank You Jesus, thank You Father, You’re so beautiful, and You’re so wonderful and Your so loving and Your so kind.” Oh sweet, sweet Jesus, sweet Jesus my friend (Praying in the Spirit). I ask You to come oh Lord right now and just fill, fill, fill Your people with Your glory. Oh God, oh God I ask You to cause them to be transparent lovers, transparent lovers of God. I ask You Jesus to put Your heart in them, to take their little hearts God, their hearts are too small. Oh God I ask You to cause them to be transparent lovers, transparent lovers of God. I ask You Jesus to put Your heart in them, to take their little hearts God. Their hearts that are too small, oh God, oh God I pray that You take our little hearts that are too small God and give us huge hearts. Because Your heart’s big and Your heart’s beautiful and Your hearts pure and Your hearts holy. Take out our little hearts God I ask you (wow) Jesus to do heart surgery, to do the kind of surgery that only You know how to do God. For those that need physical hearts God You give them physical hearts. Your lower the blood pressure, you take away their anxiety and their stress and their pushing and driving God, teach them how to rest in Your loving arms Father. Give them new hearts, physical new hearts, spiritual new hearts God. Lord those that are so full of all kinds of food and fat just, fat Lord from lack of pouring out and giving away, give them a new heart, give them a heart that is poured out, give them a heart that is full of love. Fill them with Your glory, let them know their loved. Lord I pray that there be no guilt on people but that there would be the beauty of Jesus o people. That they don’t feel that they’re hopeless but that they would feel the hope of Jesus that You cause hunger and thirst even in a western world. Yes it’s like going through the eye of a needle but God take them through the eye of the needle and take them to a place God where their hearts explode with love and where they can see the one in front of them. God take them to the place where they can see the one person in front of them each day and that they can see the Jesus eyes looking back at them, Jesus eyes looking back at them. Teach them how to see, give them hearts, give them huge hearts of love and eyes to see and a heart that beats (wow) in rhythm with You heartbeat Jesus.
Sid: And you know I’m reminded of a testimony where you talk about someone whose eye all you could see was the white and you prayed for them and you got their… you could actually see the pupil form. Tell me about that.
Heidi: Oh yeah, that was great story, you know I had… I think a lot of people hearing this have had prophetic words that they’re going to see the blind see and the deaf hear. Well I had had that prophetic word it was Randy Clark he prophesied over me and I said “Yes, I believe.” And I went out looking for blind people, for a year I prayed for them and there’s a lot of blind people in Africa so you have a lot of practice but nobody saw but they all got saved. Well one day a year after I started praying for all of these blind people, I mean a mud hut church in the middle of nowhere and this lady you know we’re just hugging on her. I’m hugging her, I’m holding her there in this hut. She’s got 2 white eyes she has never seen and she’s just completely blind. And not even a little sight you know and I’m just holding her in my arms and down she goes in the dirt. And she starts screaming and right in front of me after a year of praying for blind people, no one saw this lady’s eyes go from white to gray to brown right in front of me and she starts screaming “I can see, I can see.” And I start screaming and everybody is running around the village except for her she was so overcome from the weight of God’s glory that she couldn’t walk, she couldn’t get up.
Sid: Heidi, very quickly pray for the blind right now.
Heidi: Oh, Jesus I pray God that what you did for this Idah woman the Lord in the hut and so many since then, Lord I pray that You open the eyes of the blind. Open the eyes of the blind Lord, not just the physically but the spiritually blind too God. I pray Lord that the prophetic reality of this message. God that You would put eye salve on the eyes of Your church that can’t see. And Lord as a sign God open the eyes of the blind, open the eyes. Dissolve cataracts Jesus, dissolve cataracts and open the eyes of the church that can’t see and let them see, let them see, let them see Lord, let the light of Your glory come. (Wow) and just transform Lord.”
Sid: Oh, we’re out of time Heidi….