Sid: Hello Sid Roth back with Lisa Bevere and we’re talking about “Lioness Arising.” Lisa the thing that I found out during our break was that you would get up and share 5 minutes when your husband John Bevere would speak but you had never written a book. You saw yourself really in the background of the ministry almost of helps. Then after you had that vision of a lioness something happened inside of you and suddenly you’re speaking all over the world. But then in 2007 God spoke to your spirit about writing a book what did He say?
Lisa: You know it was so funny Sid just like you said I was terrified of speaking. There would be a number of reasons for that. Number One I had lost an eye to cancer so I didn’t want to get up in front of people. Number Two I really did love being a support to my husband. When he was traveling and speaking I was home with the boys and one of the things I didn’t have an opportunity to tell you but I actually had the vision of the Lioness while I was editing John’s book “The Bait of Satan.” And so I would go to bed every night at about 2:00 AM and get up at 6:00 and I was in that time period of editing his book when God began to awaken me. So it was crazy and so yes my world began to be enlarged; I began to be obedient. I said “God I don’t want to travel and speak, I don’t want to go out there.” And God said “I have woman out there who need you and this is no longer about you.” I wrote my first book “Out of Control and Loving It” while I was nursing my son Arden who was the one I was pregnant with when I had the vision and the invitations came and I would say “No, no I don’t want to go.” And John would just say to me “Lisa you are not your own you were bought with a price; you need to be faithful to steward whatever God has for you.” So I would travel with Arden at first or go out on Friday and come back on Saturday, but in 2007 I found myself down in New Zealand with Darlene Zschech and Bobby Houston at a conference hosted by Marie DeYoung. And I was kind of coming to this place Sid where I thought “You know what it’s all happened I’m not scared anymore I’m a Lioness.” And I was back in my hotel room and God said to me “I said with the birth of your son you would awaken a lioness; not that you are a lioness.” He said “Jesus is a Lion of the Tribe of Judah and at this time His Bride awakened a Lioness.” So Sid for the next 2 years I studied lions and let me just tell you something just as there is a no creature that makes a man prouder to be a male than the lion. There is no creature than makes me prouder to be a female than the lioness. They hunt together, they’re strategic, they actually greet and groom one another. What that actually means for us in the Body of Christ is that you looking bad doesn’t make me look good; you looking bad is because I have not groomed you. When lions meet each other they actually make face to face contact. And when they make that face to face contact it actually releases a fragrance of the pride. And they look at one another and they say “You belong to me; I belong to you. Come into the area of our family into our pride,” which is what they call their family and discover their strengths. They also understand their individual strengths are for service and not for status. And each lioness plans conception so that they conceive and give birth at the same time. They do that because why want their cubs to have an equal chance to survive but they don’t stop with just survival they want to see their cubs flourish. So they actually nurse and train one when in those young. And I love this part “Lions live in the light but they hunt in the dark.” It’s time in the church begins to live openly and live lightly and live in the light of all that God has called us to do. But we must begin to hunt in the dark and stop hiding from the dark. When Jesus calls us to light the darkness He calls us “The light of the world.” He calls us to go out to those placed that are darkened. And the reason why lions can actually hunt in the dark is, Sid this is amazing, they have the ability to interpret any light in their environment to vision. Their eyes are actually lit from within; they have the ability to reflect moonlight, starlight, car lights, that’s why cats look like they their eyes glow. It’s not that they can see in utter darkness it’s actually that they can interpret light into vision. And we the church need to be able to do that. Each lion and lioness discovers what their one strength is and they hone it to perfection it is something called prowess. Now Sid this is something really funny after my book was out and it was already in 5 languages I was driving in my car one day and I said “God I need a conformation you know is this okay that I wrote this as a book I know that I supposed to preach it as a message but I need to know if it’s okay that I wrote it as a book?” And that night you know I live in Colorado we are in the middle of a blizzard 8:00 my youngest son comes to me and says “Mom I just remembered I have a school project due tomorrow.” So I go down to my basement I tear about the older boys school projects I bring him the poster board he said “No this isn’t going to work.” So I brave a blizzard to out to get the poster board that I need but before I left Sid I paid my other 3 boys money to cut out pictures I’ve got all spread out on the table when John calls me he is in North Carolina an he’s got this cute but sometimes annoying habit of calling me and putting me on the phone with strangers but he says “Oh no, no you want to talk to this guy.” And I gave him your cellphone Lisa he’s going to be calling you in 15 minutes I said “I can’t believe you’ve done this I’m in the middle of a school project with our son right now I can’t talk to somebody.” He said No, no, no you want to talk to this guy” and he hung up. So this guy calls me and I answered the phone and I tried to sound rally exhausted because I didn’t want him to take a lot of my time and he said to me “Lisa your husband held up your book tonight ‘Lioness Arising.’ He said ‘Lions are the best killers but lionesses are the best hunters.’” And I said “Of course he would say that’s all he knows he hasn’t read my book.” And he said “Well, I’m telling you why your book is important.” He said “You need to know what I do here at Fort Bragg.” He said “I’m in charge of setting up special operative teams that go into Afghanistan.” He said “Up until this point we had focused on only the men for the special operative teams” he said “But now we are also empowering women.” He said “They are going to go in and they’re going to tell the Afghan women they have voice and value; they’re going to tell the why democracy will serve their sons and daughters well; they’re going to take care of their minor medical needs and deliver their babies.” And he said “Do you want to know what the name of this group is?” And I said “Sure.” He said “Team Lioness.”
Lisa: “About ready to be deployed, may I have a copy of your book for all of them?” So Sid I actually got to outfit Team Lioness going out of Fort Bragg. Then Team Lioness going out to Camp Lejeune and why am I telling you guy this is because if the US military understands without the involvement of women you will fight but you will not win; but it is time that we in the church understand that we are going to need the women to come along side of the men if we are going to begin to win and not just fight. See if you can’t speak to the women you can’t flip the culture whether that’s the culture in the country or a culture in the church. And Jesus is flipping the culture to go back to what He normally originally planned with one man and one woman both positioned in their strength with one voice to glorify God.
Sid: And the fact that society has relegated women to cooking (Laughing) and cleaning is actually preventing the whole, the man and woman, uniting and fulfilling the destiny of God’s kingdom the destiny of the church on this earth. Now is there Biblical precedence for the furiousness of a lioness?
Lisa: Absolutely, I love that God refers to Himself as a Lioness. You know He says like a momma bear robbed of her cubs like a lioness I’ll tear your heart out. There is something uniquely protected that is in the heart of God that He put into nurture, that He put into the maternal. The women have that strength it’s something that He seeded us with in our very Genesis. And you know what you just said I mean the truth is “In the beginning God said it wasn’t good for man to be alone.” He didn’t say “Man wasn’t good.” He said “Man alone is not good.” And God is the one that decided that Eve needed to come out and have her own voice, have her own expression. And I love how science confirms that even the function of Eve. Men are genetically chromosome X and Y. And women are X X which means you actually see what women do which is multiply in her chromosomes. You know when my husband and I got married his name Bevere was getting ready to die off he had just one and you know he’s the only boy and he has 5 sisters but he came into my world and I said “You give me your last name and I’ll give you 4 more sons with that last name.” I was doing what woman do we multiply but when woman are broken Sid they don’t multiply they divide. That is why Jesus is being so intentional to heal His women so that the women can begin to multiply the Church because both a wedding and a war are on the horizon for the Church of Jesus Christ. And that is something that the women need to get involved with which is adorning the Body as a Bride.
Sid: You know you talk about in your curriculum words of wisdom from history that have shaped women but you also talk about some very famous women in the Bible: Deborah, Esther, Yael. Tell me about one of them.
Lisa: Oh you know my favorite is probably Yael. I love that she was a woman whose husband was actually in allegiance you know allegiance with the enemy. But you know when God begins to do something God begins to stir the heart of the women. And so when Caesarea came into her tent and tried to find refuge and he said “I’m so thirsty give me water.” She said “No, no, no I’m going to give you milk.” But she didn’t just give him milt in a clay pot she gave it in a goblet fit for a king. So she disarmed him with honor she gave him milk. He fell asleep and then she took a tent peg and she killed him, which is crazy messy. But the truth is God is actually using her life as a principal for every single woman that God will actually anoint what is in your hands. What you have already been faithful with. She had been setting up tents for years. God said “You know what in this moment what is in your hand, what is in your hand if you give it to me with all of your life I’m going to anoint it and the common will become mighty.” And so I love how woman no matter where they are whether they’re in the tent or outside in the market place God has something He wants to anoint in their lives. And you just need to know when your season is and what you’ve been entrusted with to see God take what is in your life and make it mighty.
Sid: Now you talk about all of these characteristics that you studied of a lioness and we’re almost skipping by too quickly. You talked about the ability of a lioness to see in darkness and to catch the light of the moon to be able to see this. Now how does this apply to us?
Lisa: You know I believe that we are living in days like you said the last days, and in the last days things begin to shift. In the last days God begins to pour His Spirit out on all of His people; on His sons on His daughters on His maidservants, on His men servants, on His young and on His own and old. We begin to see visions and dreams reunited. I love how it opens up “In the last days I will pour out My Spirit on all people.” There is something that is happening on the earth right now… you know Sid when I look at all the entertainment industry you can see that they are hungry for God’s Spirit but it’s not just a spirit they have to have to have a sense that something is getting ready to happen but they don’t know how to explain it. Well we are supposed to people who can see; prophetic people are people who can see when everything is dark around us it doesn’t blind us because we’re lit from within. We’re seers we’re like Samuel we can see what God is doing and then we say what He is saying through what we see in our spirit. And that is not just something that is unique to ministers, that is something there for all of God’s children. But you know it’s like anything with the Kingdom of God you have to know that it’s available to you. I’m talking to people right now that there is something inside of your life, there is something yet unseen inside of you. You know that there is something more to you than what you’ve seen. You know there is something more to the church than what you have seen. And there is a stirring inside of you well God is wanting to wave a mystery and you can’t go back to get that map you’re going to have to lift your eyes and you’re going to have to say “God I want to see the way that You see things.” I love the prophetic ministry it gives us eyes to see, ears to hear, a voice to speak and a heart enlarged to believe. And that is why I thought if I could paint imagery of lions and lioness’s people’s heart would be enlarged again with strength and they’ll remember who they were created to be.
Sid: Okay you talk about the characteristics of a lioness and one you talk about is “Rise up and Confront” comment on that.
Lisa: Well definitely confronting, there is a fierce awaking right now. I had a moment when I was actually writing this book Sid where I was talking about it in theory and I had to put it to practice. My youngest son was in High School and there was a book that was required reading for him that was absolutely horrific it combined pornography and masturbation and it was just… I couldn’t even believe that the school was asking 14, 15 year old boys to read this in their English curriculum. He came home and showed me the book and we were horrified by it. I talked to the teacher I said “This is not something my son wants to read it violates his conscience can he have another book?” And through a course of events she mishandled how she went about administering this and she shamed my son. When my son came back I woke up and I realized “Wait a minute why was I content for my son to be safe and not worried about the other boys in his class. The lioness woke up in me Sid, and I called the school and I said “I am so sorry that I made this only about my son because I need to actually use my influence to actually protect other boys.” Sid I wrote a blog and I excerpt this book and over the weekend there was 550 responses. And not only was my son delivered from having to be able to read this book but they pulled that book out of the entire school system in that district and they sent all of their teachers back through a course how to select curriculum. That is the kind of power when we wake-up, we wake-up and say “It’s not enough!” I’m not going to just say that this world is going to go down the drain and I hope I escape in the rapture but we understand that Christian actually means “Anointed one.” It doesn’t mean just nice person that passes out tracks occasionally but especially on Halloween instead of candy, it actually means that we are anointed by God’s Spirit. And we are anointed to brings the presence of God to even people that don’t even know they’re hungry for Him.
Sid: There are woman that are listening right now but you have found that men benefit just as much from this course. In fact, what a wonderful course for a couple to take together. How about the entire family taking this course together? The questions in this curriculum literally push people into their destiny; literally push people into their greatness. And then you have prayers of activation, after they have read and they’re going to become dangerous to the enemies schemes… When we come back Lisa… I’m amazed how God thrust you into parts of wild areas of the world walking around at night talking to woman that have sold themselves into prostitution, or their parents sold them into it. I mean I have to ask you where did you get the courage to do this? We’ll be right back.
Sid: Sid Roth here with Rick Joyner and my mind is going in a million different directions with everything going on. The Lord told you how to bring heaven on earth. The Lord told you the key to joy and it’s different than most Christians believe, talk about that.
Rick: Well when I was in this last experience when I was in heaven that this part of heaven was a Mall as I shared. Hopefully in the last segment they connected, but it was more wonderful and different it wasn’t where you bought stuff it was far more wonderful than that. But it was a place of inner-change, and then at the end of the stream I ended up at the end of our Main Street over at Heritage you know where our shops and all are and it’s kind of like a mini Mall I ended up there and the Lord said “You’ve got to bring what you experienced here in heaven you’ve got to bring heaven to earth.” And then before this He had told me how to enter heaven. And I think that it’s a key understanding because you know the law first mentioned theological principle I’ll first mention. The first time something’s mentioned in scripture is usually a major revelation of its purpose.
Rick: Well the first time that it is even mentioned in scripture that God had a house is one of the most important revelations of what the house of God is supposed to be. And that’s when Jacob had his dream, and he saw heaven open; he was under an open heaven and he saw a ladder reaching into heaven and the angels of God or the messengers of God were ascending and descending upon that ladder. And he wakes up and says “Whoa I didn’t know I was in such an awesome place this is none other than the house of God.” So I believe the most basic revelation of what the house of God is supposed to be is the place of access to heaven where the messengers of God are sending into heaven and then descending with evidence of heaven’s reality. This is what I think the miracles are; this is what I think you know I think that Jesus demonstrated when He walked the earth. Now Jesus basically said when He spoke to Nathanael He is Jacob’s ladder. He said “You’ve going to see greater things than this word of knowledge I had about you being under the fig tree you’re going to see the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.” Now it’s through Jesus we enter He is Jacob’s ladder, but we’ve got to understand that we’re called to have access to heaven. We actually should be more at home in the heavenly realm than we are in the natural realm. With the newest creation is a new species that is supposed to be becoming more spiritual than it is natural. That’s what one of the ancients said I can’t remember if it was Brother Lawrence or somebody I read years ago said “We’re not called to be human beings who have occasional spiritual experiences we’re called the spiritual beings that have occasional human experiences.”
Rick: (Laughing) And I think this is who we are called to be this place of access to heaven. So you know we’ve got take the kingdom of God we’re just coming into the kingdom and bring it here now. There’s the heavenly realm the heavenly authority. Well Jesus basically did when He healed the cripples was He said “You know in heaven we don’t have any cripples.” Well that’s what happens when the authority of heaven touches this cripple. You know in heaven we have no lack for anything. Watch what happened when heaven touches this little boy’s lunch. You know every time the windows of heaven in scripture are open there’s an overflow on the earth and it’s like too much comes out. We have 12 baskets full leftover, there is way too much wine made for those people at that wedding I mean it’s just if you open the windows of heaven if we open them even a little there will be overflow on the earth. So we’ve got to start climbing that ladder which I believe is the progressive revelation of who Jesus is. I believe the more we can see Him who He is and where He sits, the more we’re going to ascend into the heavenly realm and bring that authority to the earth which trumps any earthly condition even any earthly law. Even the law that we call the laws of nature are trumped by heavens laws. You can walk on the water, you can do many other things like fly you know…
Sid: Tell me what He told you about joy.
Rick: Well He said I’d entered that realm by using the key to eternal joy.
Sid: What is that?
Rick: That’s what I asked “What’d I do? He said “When I set my heart to every day do the things that bring Him pleasure.” Which I’d done been just trying to focus just every day on bringing the Lord pleasure and making Him happy. He says “It is the joy of the Lord not your joy that is your strength.” He said “When you set your heart to bring.” He said “When I set my heart to bring Him joy not just focusing on what brought me joy but bringing Him joy every day and that being my main thing, He said “That is the key to eternal joy.” He said “Everyone of His people have this key they can use it every day but very few of them even know it.”
Sid: So give me some practical things that you do to I mean I hope you’re catching this it’s not “God do this for me; do that for me.” No it’s “What can I do for You?” I mean what a different paradigm. So what do you do Rick to bring Him joy?
Rick: Well you know where it says in Psalms “The prayer of the upright is His delight.” Just praying brings the Lord joy, brings Him delight. So I don’t want to waste my mind in vain imaginations when I can be bringing God joy by praying just focusing on prayed, intercession is where I’m trying to take every thought captive to do this. There’s you know and I think that is some of the revelation of what brings Him joy is seeing it in His leaders like John the Apostle. I think he became very much like God he matured and he started out as son of thunder wanting to bring fire down but then his whole message becomes love and I mean he become like God in many ways and what we’re all supposed to be doing. But when He said “Nothing brings Him more joy than to see His children walking in truth.” You know it even says that “In the last days it’s not those who have truth who won’t be deceived the only ones that aren’t going to be deceived are those that have a love for the truth.” So to have a love for the truth we’ve got to walk in the truth. When Jesus prayed in John 17 that we would be sanctified in truth that’s more than knowing the truth it’s being changed by the truth. So I try every day I’m going to try walk in truth, be true, you know to be committed to truth to honesty to integrity to these things. But also walking in the truth of His word and His revelation.
Sid: What about some other practical things such as worship, witnessing, etcetera?
Rick: I think all that, all that’s certainly brings Him joy because Satan…
Sid: But what do you think brings Him the greatest joy?
Rick: Well one of them one sinner turning all of heaven rejoices which that includes God. So if you can get one person saved how much joy is that going to bring the Lord?
Sid: So you want to focus the rest of your life not on building a ministry but on bringing God joy is that proper? Is that correct?
Rick: Doing His will and bringing Him delight and joy well those are the main focus of my life yeah. And I am I…
Sid: Did you…you felt something when you were in heaven you felt the atmosphere of heaven. I’m just kind of curious now that you’re back with us…
Rick: Yeah. (Chuckle)
Sid: Did you feel that same atmosphere?
Rick: Sometimes. I get a sense of it it’s like a whiff you know. And of course I do believe that He wouldn’t have said that about bringing that here if we couldn’t do it. I believe that same atmosphere we touch maybe it will be multiplied many times over in heaven but we’ve got to bring that here and I believe that should be the house of God. I believe that every church should have such an atmosphere of heaven that people come from all over just to breathe that atmosphere.
Sid: You know on the previous segment you talked about the horrific things that you had insight into what’s coming to America. Will America turn around?
Rick: Yeah it will, yeah.
Sid: What do you envision happening?
Rick: I believe we’re headed for I believe we’re starting to see the first stages of the third Great Awakening. I believe there’s going to be an Awakening.
Sid: Describe what you see going to happen.
Sid: Well I hear the word Awakening what does that mean?
Rick: Well I think you saw it last week at our place.
Sid: I did. (Laughing)
Rick: There were actually more people there Thursday morning than Saturday night a lot of them were pastors and had to go home be Sunday. But you saw how crammed it was, packed. It was it was like we couldn’t get any more people in this building. There was a hunger and a fire and these people were absolutely focused from the get go. Most of our conferences in our first day is plowing, getting them you know.
Sid: Hm hm.
Rick: We didn’t…the first minute they were ready to go there was fire in their eyes they wanted God they wanted everything they were there for. I hadn’t seen that in many years.
Sid: Well you know what it reminds me of a friend of mine that had lunch with one of the great healing evangelist of our generation William Branham. And Branham described what you’re talking about right now and this is what Branham said in this last phrase which is what we’re entering in. “God is going to raise up true anointed Apostles and true prophets. They will have the divine mind of God and they will speak as the very oracle of God and whatever they say God will do it they won’t just prophesy about the future but they will know the mind of God; and whatever they say God will perform it and create the future into existence.” He said “Why the supernatural power of God will be so greatly manifested that eyeballs will be put in eye sockets, limbs created, hearts made new, even resurrections will be a daily occurrence and preachers won’t even have to pay for TV time as the miracles will be reported on the 6:00 news daily.” Finally Braham predicted that a revival of God’s glory will flood the nations and God will shake this world with His supernatural power like never before then Jesus will return to His church. And that He prophesied and that is beginning right now Rick and I want you to become a friend of God.
Sid: My guest is red hot for the Messiah, now Steven you live up in the Moravian Falls in the Carolinas.
Sid: And that’s quite a historic spot and many of my friends that live in that area they seem to have such a sensitivity to spirit and they see lots of angels, do you?
Steven: Well there are times when I see into the glory realm and I’ll tell you what I’ve never get tired of it Sid. And the Lord is faithful to open that realm up to us as we seek Him and God can open our spiritual eyes, open our spiritual senses to come into that realm and not to have these little visits but merge into a place where it becomes an ongoing occurrence.
Sid: Tell me the neatest experience you have ever had involving an angel.
Steven: Well I’ve had different angels come to me they all have different purposes, they have different assignments from the Lord. I had a tremendous angel, very powerful angel under the Lord’s command come to me just a couple of years ago and his name was Boaz. And he told me that his assignment was to bring provision to those who are called to establish Kingdom projects. For instance, Sid if somebody is called to establish a Christian hospital of a Christian orphanage or if a pastor is called to raise up a new sanctuary building. What the purpose of this angel is is that he has many other angels that work beneath him and they influence Boaz type individuals to support the work of God. In other words, it says in Ruth chapter 2 that Boaz was a mighty man of wealth. And so whenever you have a Kingdom project you’ll need some money to help complete that project and bring it to pass. So there are angels that go to work to cause people of wealth to connect with a God given project and see that project completed and built to the glory of God.
Sid: Okay, someone is involved right now that’s listening to us in a God ordained project. How do they get an angel like Boaz to go out in the highways and byways and have the millionaire bring the funds?
Steven: One of the most important things that you have to do is you have to know that that project is from God. In other words, it can’t just be this is a good idea I think I’ll try to do this. It has to be an assignment that the Lord has given to you and it’s something that you so know that you’re supposed to do that it centers around a primary life calling that you have. You know that whether… it’s like Noah, he was called by God to build that ark. So you know that God has assigned a project to you and you need help. Often times with these projects even to get it rolling you need somebody to step in and make a sizable contribution, once that happens it seems like now it begins to roll and others come on board.
Steven: But how do get that first break? You need a Boaz, you need a person like Boaz in the Bible who is a person of wealth.
Sid: I’m going to take you… you have a project you know it’s from God how would you pray?
Steven: I’d say “Lord, this project is bigger than I am, Lord I don’t have the ability or the empowerment to do this. Now Lord You’re going to have to send help. Now let the angels go forth and bring in the necessary help so that the necessary provision of this work can be fulfilled and accomplished.”
Sid: You said angels have assignments, have you ever seen angels whose assignment might be revival?
Steven: There are angels of revival. Just recently Sid only about a week ago I was ministering in Ohio and I was… I had finished my portion of preaching, now I’m just prophetically flowing in the Spirit, ministering, talking under the anointing and suddenly I walked into an angel, my hand bumped into an angel.
Steven: It felt like sticking your hand into some type of heavenly gel substance Sid. It was solid but at the same time you could push it a little bit. I said “Lord, who is this who has come into the meeting?” And the Lord said this is the angel Breakthrough. And when I announced that the angel Breakthrough is here the whole place just broke out in joy and praise unto the Lord. It just created a spirit of faith exploded in that place. And I said “They’ll be a breakthrough for those listening to this voice whoever I’m speaking to there will be a breakthrough within 72 hours. And Sid within 3 days I had a breakthrough in my life. A very very unusual breakthrough, staggering breakthrough. And it happened, the angel came under the Lord’s command and broke something special through.
Sid: Now I know you operate in what one of the gifts is called “Word of Knowledge.” What is the Word of Knowledge?
Steven: Word of knowledge is a breakthrough gift that brings not an encyclopedia of knowledge, not a page of knowledge but a word. Sometimes maybe it could be literally 1 word. Sometimes a short sentence, but it brings a word of knowledge that deals with the past or present information. For instance, Jesus ministered to the woman at the well. Sometimes it hard to really get to minister to people because we put these walls up and we protect and we hide because of pain or failure or disappointment. This lady had walls up and Jesus… it appears wasn’t making too much progress as far as ministering to her until he said “Go call your husband.” She said, “I don’t have one.” He said “You’re right,” He said “You’ve been married 5 times and the man that you’re with now you’re not married to him either.” So that word of knowledge was a breakthrough gift and the moment he released that word of knowledge then He could touch her He’s got her heart. And then it allows the other gifts to come in and the love of God to flood into a person’s heart.
Sid: Now distinguish between a word of knowledge and word of wisdom.
Steven: Word of knowledge deals with past or present information. Word of wisdom will always speak towards the future and the word of wisdom is a word to you from God that reveals the perfect plan and the will of God concerning a specific situation.
Sid: Can you recall one that was very meaningful in your life?
Steven: The word of wisdom is such a precious gift it is worth more than all of the gold, all of the riches in the world. And when the Lord speaks these words of wisdom to me it just makes you want to so thank and love and honor the Lord. Sid the most often way that I receive the word of wisdom is through my Bible, sometimes I won’t even be thinking about anything but maybe I’ll just pick up my Bible randomly and set it down and there’s times it seems like it a scripture just lifts off the page in a 3D hologram form. I remember recently while talking with my daughter late into the night about God’s plan for her life and how the Lord loves her, and we had such a wonderful talk about the Lord. I put her to sleep and she went to bed, I went down stairs and before I went to sleep I thought I’d just grab my Bible maybe I’d get one more scripture in. I opened it up and this verse lifted up off the page it looked like the Holy Spirit highlighted in a 3D hologram and it said “Great will be the peace of your children.”
Steven: And it was so timely, it was literally the Lord speaking that word to me, it was a word of wisdom for my child.
Sid: You know when word of knowledge started operating in my life I had no mentoring, I had no examples, I had no one to show me what to do and so for a while I would hear it and do nothing with it.
Sid: Then I got the idea what if I called the people forward. Like I would hear the word back, everyone with a back problem come forward and I’d pray for them and everyone would be healed. And then I went to the next level with that gift I began saying “Everyone with a back problem if you will just stand up and bend over where your seated you’ll be healed right where your seated.” So what I found is it… you know what it is I guess it’s what you talk about in the book, the new book and the 3 CD set. The more information you have, I wish I had had this when I first started.
Steven: This book will fast track your walk in the Spirit. This book is years and years of experience I learned in the ministry operating at times in very adverse situations and I took all the good points and I put them into the book. So a person can take this and apply it and you won’t have to reinvent the wheel you’ll be up and running.
Sid: What if you first started you had all this information what difference would it have made in your life?
Steven: I’d be 15 years ahead in the ministry if I knew some of those things, like your saying you’re getting these words of knowledge, or I’m getting a word of wisdom I had no clue of how much profit that would actually bring into my life if I would actually obey it. I thought that it was optional. The word of wisdom particularly is never optional you must obey it or you will suffer lost or harm. So if you do exactly what the Lord says then you’ll always move ahead toward your purpose and fulfillment of your life calling.
Sid: Out of curiosity, it’s a brand new book and a 3 CD set of “Experiencing Miracles in Your Everyday life,” but you’ve been teaching this for a while. What happens with people that aren’t operating in the gifts and they sit under your teaching?
Steven: One of the most important things is that a person will see the value of these gifts. What happened to me is when I began to realize the power of the Holy Spirit coming forth through these gifts Sid I almost wanted to pull my hair out in frustration of all of the missed opportunities from previous years. I thought “Oh my goodness that was the Spirit of God moving, if I would have just stepped out and followed that manifestation of that gift there’s no telling what tremendous miracle would have happened.” So when I caught on to this I was always keen to take advantage of those opportunities when the Spirit comes forth. So a person will receive tremendous joy and happiness in their life as these gifts come for and they yield to the Spirit it will bring great blessing into their life.
Sid: Now one of the gifts that you really flow in is and you actually flow in all nine gifts but one of your dominate gifts is the gift of prophesy. When did you… what is prophesy for starters?
Steven: Prophecy is declaring and speaking forth through a known language what is on the heart of God that God wants to express to a body of Believers or perhaps even to an unbeliever or to an individual.
Sid: So it could be a teaching that He wants expressed to a group.
Steven: It could be or it could be something more revealing. I was preaching one time in a Baptist Church and I turned to the pastor and I said “Pastor Mike the Holy Spirit just told me that God’s going to give you a church building, your own church building and it’s going to happen within a year.” Well 51 weeks went by and on the last week of the year just before the year was up somebody gave him a church building, gave him the keys to it, the whole building was paid off the prophecy came to past.
Sid: I’m going to turn you loose with the gift of prophecy on tomorrow’s broadcast….
SID: Hello. My name is Sid Roth and welcome. I said welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest had a download from Heaven for this generation of what you need to do, what you need to do to call forth your destiny, to be in sync with what God has called you to be, to call your family to be in sync with what God has called your family to be, to cause your nation to be in sync with what God has called your nation to be, and he’s going to share the words from Heaven that will cause you to be a world changer. I tell you, Pat, your father, and I have to use this to describe him, he was quite a thug. Now of course, his father was Jewish. He was probably, would you say he was an atheist?
PAT: You know, they had bought into Catholicism, had become Catholics and, but they weren’t practicing. And you know, I was talking to my dad about that the other day, somewhere along the way, God left our home. God was pushed out. And so it wasn’t until I was five years old that my dad had a radical encounter with God, and he worked for the Mafia in Detroit with drug dealers. But it was one night, no one could ever save their family. And my mom got—two weeks before at a southern gospel concert, came home, and the anointing was so strong on her [that] he got miserable and angry. And one night he said, “God, if you’re real,” and had an encounter. And at that moment when he got on his knees and decided to come over [unintelligible]. It changed our family. The family lineage was changed at that exact moment. And since that moment, out of our family has come 130 Christians. Within three months, he walked away from the Mafia. Within five months, he was in Bible college, and he got filled with that spirit thing that messed everything up.
SID: So but, you know, as you were raised you saw miracles. You saw angelic provision. Tell me two, real quick.
PAT: One time, my parents were very poor, my dad had moved to, we moved to Alabama and he’s pastoring. He started pastoring in these churches that I always said were good for one thing, the making and breaking of a man of God. Everybody’s got to put their tithe in. But we were very poor and we would sit at the table, nothing on our plates, no food, and he began to pray. And he’d say, “Holy Spirit, bring someone to the house.” But one night, they, mom and dad loaded up. We lived in an old church. Mom and dad loaded up and went to a meeting somewhere. My sister and I were home, and my brother. We lived on the freeway. You couldn’t see anywhere for a mile, any direction, in an old church, double doors, old building. A man knocks on the door and said, “Is the master home?” I figured he was talking about dad, although we didn’t call him that. And he said, “Give him this.” And we shut the door. It was an opened envelope. The man looked like what I believe Jesus probably looks like, and there were seven one-hundred dollar bills in there. I yanked the door open and he was gone. My parents came in and they were pastoring this church. We were living in an old church, it was very poor. They had prayed, “God, we need $700 if we’re going to make it,” while they were gone. When we opened the door, he was gone. So an angel of the Lord had come. It was an angel. Over and over we had experiences—
SID: But Pat, according to my notes, at age 16, you weren’t filled with religion.
SID: You had back-slidden, you were drinking, you were in trouble with the law, you were out with some buddies doing no good.
SID: And what happened to you?
PAT: I saw what a lot of people had seen. And there’s people that are watching this right now, and you need to understand. The Holy Spirit is going to invade where you’re sitting. You’re going to feel the breath of God on your face as you’re sitting there and you’re going to feel the Glory of the Lord. And I need to warn you, if you’re cut, your scars are going to disappear. We’ll go into that in a minute. But I often had encounters with God, but I saw the opposite of encounters many times in religion, in the church. And I just began to believe that it wasn’t. We’re driving down the road late one night, my friend and I, and we had been drinking, 16 years old. And we’re driving down a steep hill. The car was blinking 85 and even in my drunken stupor, I would get a conviction. I’d start weeping. And I could be in a service and just begin to weep before God. Anyway, we’re riding down the road, and Sid, a car came towards us, and my friend was really, really drunk, and wasn’t a believer. And we were in the wrong lane. And I began to scream, “Move in the other lane! Move in the other lane!” At the moment, this car came head on with us, I screamed, “Jesus!” My mother would always say things to me like, “I pray the blood of Jesus over you.” We’d walk out of the house in a frenzy. My friends would say, “What did she say?” I’d say, “She’s not right and don’t worry about it, dude.” I’d walk out of school with Crisco. We couldn’t afford olive oil. There would be Crisco oil all over my car and my mom, she’d come by and anoint it. And I’d say, “Mom, what are you doing?” And she goes…. I’d say, “You’re ruining my paint job.” She’d say, “You’re alive, ain’t you boy?” And I’ll never forget because she was always anointing us. I would wake up with anointing oil. But I’ll never forget, that night, that car, when I screamed, “Jesus!” That car went through us. And my friend—
SID: Wait a second. Now you were drinking, so maybe you didn’t see that.
PAT: Here’s the thing. It was so real that it sobered us both up. I pulled off the road. It was two weeks later where I heard the Lord whisper to me, “If you don’t give your heart to me, if you don’t cry out to me, your time will be limited.” And I knew because [unintelligible], I knew he was calling to me. I knew. And I had encounters and I even knew I was called to the ministry. The best to know you’re called to the ministry is you wake up thinking about it and you go to bed thinking about it. Everything that happens will be a great sermon illustration. If that happens to you, you’re called. And I’ll never forget, because I pulled over, we pulled off the road and my friend was crying. And he said, “Did you see what just happened?” I said, “That car just went through us.” And it was two weeks later, Sid, that I was, I crawled out of bed late one night and I said, “God,” because I had seen my dad pray like that many nights, “if you’re real,” and I share this all over the world with teenagers and adults. “If you’re real, I need you to prove it.” So I got on the floor because that’s how I had seen my dad pray, and I don’t know if I was asleep or it was a vision, but he walked in my room. And I was so wounded by church. I had seen so many things. People, you know, sheep bite, and I’ll never forget, because all of a sudden, God walked into my room, and I said, “If you’re real, you need to come in or I’m never serving you.” I had planned on going into the Air Force Academy and all this crazy stuff. And the Lord walked in and he said, “Son.” First thing he said to me, he says, “I want you to follow.” And I said, “I’m sorry my pride has hurt you.” And I’m laying on the floor weeping, and I gave him my heart, instantly filled with the Holy Ghost, instantly began to pray in tongues. And that was the radical revolution. By 17 years old, a year later, I was a youth pastor.
SID: Okay. I want you to hold that thought because after he gave his heart to God, he began to hear words, one in particular that’s in the Bible a lot, the word, “remnant.” We’ll talk about it when we come back.
SID: Well I’ll tell you. If I had had the vision that David Jones had, I wouldn’t need some uncle to tell me to serve God. I would be running to serve God. But David, he becomes a Marine. He’s interested in his life. He was continually, continuously going down, down, down. And one day he’s at work. Someone invites him to go to church with him and he had an accident that almost cost him his life. What happened to you?
DAVID: The boss brought me a big old check. And I said, “Me and my brother were going out and partying tonight.” And I thought about it. And then I said [to myself], “No, I’m not going.” I made my mind up not to go. I fell on the conveyor and I tried to lift myself up, Sid, but I had no strength. Then God Himself allowed me to hear my heartbeat. I said, “Oh no.” I started fading out and I wanted to lift myself up, but I had no strength. I said, “Oh no, please.” I began to pray, “Give me another chance, Lord, please, please Lord. I’ll go with this man. Give me another chance.” And I came back and all the people were around me and said, “Are you all right?” Don’t do me like this. I’ll go with this man to church. The next thing I know, I’m going home, I’m getting ready. Here comes my friends, coming to party. They were like, hey man. I said, I went out on the porch. I said, “Hold it. I’m not going with you guys today.” I said, “I’m going to the House of God. You all know I almost died today.” And they were like, what? They said, “It’s Friday. It’s our party night.” I said, “God can keep my heart beating and I’m going to the House of God.” And I went. And I sat in the back of the church and the preacher was preaching. And as he began to preach, all the conviction started hitting me. And I said, I got to save myself. And so I got up and as I started walking towards him all of a sudden, Sid, the devil said, “Get out of this church. Run out of here. Get out of here!” And my legs began to get weak. And I was like, no, no, I know what’s right. I’ve been brought up in church as a little boy. I remember. I remember. And when I got to him he said, “Son, do you want to be saved?” I said, “Sir, yes sir, I want to be saved.” And I went to grab his hand and all of a sudden the power of God hit me and I flew straight back. But when I hit the floor, there were no ushers there to let me down easy. But it was like falling on a bed of cotton. Then all of a sudden the girls were looking at me. Back then, I thought I was a cool daddy. And I said, let me get off the floor with these beautiful girls looking at me. Then the supernatural began, and it began in my belly. Then it got in my chest. Then it got in my throat. Then my tongue began to cling to the roof of my mouth. Then I began to hear myself speak a heavenly language. That’s the spirit of God. Pretty soon I didn’t care about those girls. All of a sudden, I started experiencing such joy, such peace I had never experienced before. I was addicted to crack cocaine, acid, mescaline, THC, alcohol. But God delivered me. Now I have a joy and a peace I’ve never experienced before. And I got off the floor and I was just speaking in my heavenly ways. And then the ushers were trying to grab me. The pastor said, “Let him go. God has him now.”
SID: Okay. Now what happened to your alcohol addiction? What happened to your drug addiction?
DAVID: Totally gone. Instantly healed by the mighty God of Israel.
SID: I’ll tell you, when God can take someone like him and flatten him on the floor, have him speak in a supernatural language and get delivered, and have him, now it’s been like 25 years you’ve been in ministry.
SID: But I’m going to take you to February 2012. What happened to you?
DAVID: Well I got up to go use the restroom. And as I was coming back and I was getting back in bed, it’s like someone grabbed me by the arm and shook me. Next thing I know, I’m catapulted into an open vision and I’m hovering about 200 feet over the earth. And I can see all the beautiful skies and the sun, and all the happiness, people going to and fro, mothers with their children going into the grocery stores, people pumping gas, businessmen with their ties and briefcase going into the buildings. And all of a sudden, a thick darkness and clouds started appearing upon the earth. And then all of a sudden there was a sound from Heaven, a sound that I have never heard before in all my born days. It was like seven claps of thunder uttered into one. The sound was so deafening, not only did it pierce the ears of all mankind, but it began to pierce them that when they heard it their bodies began to shake and quake. This sound was so deafening, people began to scream. Then all of a sudden like someone took a razor blade and split the heavens, here come the Son of God with all his bands of angels and all of his glory. Oh Sid, and the colors were glorious, splendid, magnificent, glorious, the blues, the golds, the greens. I had never seen such colors like this. And he was coming speedily on the earth. Then people began to urinate on themselves and scream. And then one man said, “No, no, no, wait, wait, wait. I thought I had time. I thought I had time.” But too late. All time had ran out for all mankind. Another man, he was like an Indian guy, real short, he began to say, “No, no, no, this is a dream, this is a dream. I’m going to wake up.” But Sid, he couldn’t wake up because he was already woke. Then I heard a voice from Heaven say, “This is the day of the Lord! It has come!” And I came out of the vision, trembling on the floor, and I’m shaking and quaking within myself. And I began to pray for me. I didn’t pray for my mother, my wife, my children. I began to intercede for me because God allowed me to see such terror. Terror. We know God is love and He’s mercy, and He’s long suffering, and He’s gentle, and He’s kind. But Sid, there’s another part of God that mankind has not been introduced to, and that’s the terror of the Lord. Such terror, such horror. And I began to repent over my own life. Lord, save me. God, forgive me. Because He allowed me to sense what everyone was feeling. And I began to repent. Because I said, “God, I want to be pleasing to you, Lord. If I have hurt you or come against you in any shape or form, please forgive me, Lord. Lord, please allow me to be counted worthy to go back with you. I have seen the Day of the Lord.” Then the Lord spoke to me saying, “I charge you now to warn all mankind,” and said it like this, “I’m coming, I’m coming, I’m coming, I’m coming. Whether they would believe you or not, give them warning from you. Whether they receive you or not, give them warning from you. For the day of the Lord is at hand.”
SID: You heard that. Now what are you going to do about it? I’m going to tell you something. If you are lukewarm, you are backslidden and you are not prepared for the Day of the Lord, you are either going forward red hot for the Messiah or deceived. No in-between. Believe that Jesus died for your sins. Repent. Tell him you’re sorry and believe that he has washed your sins away as if they never existed. And then say, “Jesus,” with your own words, “I make you my Lord. Come and live inside of me. I make you Lord of my life.” Do that now. God has given you a very strong charge to tell people. But simultaneously God is telling many people even that are not believers in the Messiah the same thing. For instance, orthodox Jews in Israel are being told that we are in footsteps of the coming of the Messiah. In other words, they know something is up in the air. About the same time that David had that dream, I had a dream. And in my dream, you know, I wasn’t even, David, I wasn’t even thinking about this. It didn’t cross my radar. If someone had said to me, the Lord is coming back soon, I would have said, yes, I believe that. But you know, I’m 73. In my heart of hearts, I’m not sure I really believe that. You’re supposed to say he’s coming back soon. You’re supposed to live like he’s coming back soon. But there just seems to be so much that has to be done. But it’s not up to my peanut brain. It’s up to God. And this is what God showed me in the dream. He said to me three times, “I’m coming back soon. I’m coming back soon. I’m coming back soon” David, between you and me, what did you believe in your heart about the Lord’s return? I mean, between the two of us.
DAVID: Well I didn’t think it was close. I mean, according to all the scriptures and the Revelation teachers and the scholars, I knew it was gonna come and I wasn’t sure. But now I’m absolutely sure that He’s coming at an hour and at a time when man least expects it.
SID: What should someone do that’s just heard this message and believes it’s from God?
DAVID: Set their house in order. Whatever they need to do for God they must do quickly. If they need to ask for forgiveness, they better do it quickly. If they need to go to their mother, father, sister, brother, ask for forgiveness, they need to go get things straight before it’s everlasting too late, because the terror of the Lord is like something I never seen in my entire life.
SID: Okay. Let me take you. I know you’re living a holy life. I know that you love God. Right after that open vision, what did you do?
DAVID: I began to repent and cry out to God.
SID: But you repented. I know you. You repented way before a vision like that.
DAVID: Not like this one. Not like this one. Because he made it so real to me. It was so real and it was so overpowering and overtaking that men and women could not even think straight when it happened. And He came so suddenly just like He said He would.
SID: Why is there so much urgency in giving this message? I mean, I’ve never seen someone with such a compulsion like it, an urgency in your voice. Why?
DAVID: Because there’s an unction within, inside of me that I don’t have much time. You don’t much time. We don’t have much time. And I must preach it and I must proclaim it just as Noah did for 120 years it was going to rain. But they turned a deaf ear to Noah. They didn’t believe that man of God. But the Bible said, God said unto Noah, “Come you and your family into the ark. For He opened up the windows of Heaven. And the windows of Heaven poured out a water upon the land. And everything that breathed through nostrils died just like God said it would.
SID: When you share this message, things have happened to people, have you ever seen people that just moan and wail, and run forward?
DAVID: Sid, I was invited to come preach a week revival. I ended up preaching 21 days. While I was preaching the first night, people began to wail. Football players began to wail, running to the altar screaming, children, teenagers wailing and repenting, and a lot of them were Christians. The pastor himself, mighty man of God, and his wife just ran towards him and said, “Have mercy on our souls, O God. Spare us. Forgive us, O God,” and fell to his face. I had never seen such conviction before in my entire life.
SID: You were telling me about an evangelist that was one at one of your meetings. What happened?
DAVID: Well after meeting, you know, first of all, when I did the altar call everybody came: the pastor, the church, the wife, everybody. The guest ministers, everybody came. And this evangelist left the meeting, and you know, this is exactly what he said, “David scared the hell out of me with that message.” He had stopped preaching. He wasn’t preaching. Next thing you know he started preaching, doing revivals. Eight months later, he died.
SID: Did you just hear what he said? Did you just hear what he said? You see, the Bible says, you do not know when your end will come. Eight months later, he died and all, there’s someone looking at me right now, and you think that you’re all alone. No. The reason that you’re watching this show is for this moment. You think God isn’t interested in you? He has you watching us right now for this moment. It’s your life. It’s your eternity. It’s your purpose. I have to tell you this. If there was no fear of not knowing God, no fear of going to Hell, I would serve God because He’s pure love. I would serve God because compared to knowing God, that’s everything. And compared to everything that’s nothing. I want you to choose this day who you are going to serve. But as for me and my house, we’re going to serve the Living God.