Sid: Hello Sid Roth back with Art Thomas and this is one of these interviews I wished would go on forever but Art you say that you a supernatural music gift. Why do you say your music gift is supernatural?
Art: The first reason is because I saw what I could do naturally first (Laughing).
Sid: And what did you do naturally first?
Art: (Laughing) Yeah I as a kid no singing voice whatsoever just off key and not together. And then in middle school I was in a band and I had a “D” average in which you have to be really bad to get a “D” average in middle school band. When I was just graduating out of 8th grade it was either before or after 8th grade we had a summer tent revival service at our church and somehow my mom convinced me to take the trumpet out of the back of my closet that I swore I’d never play again and to play it during this week of meetings at my church. So sheepishly I pulled it out and practiced with the worship team I would write down a little 2 note harmony that I could figure out on my sheet music and played and it was not good but it was pretty lousy I was off on most notes but all the little old ladies in our church did the little old thing “Oh it’s so wonderful to see you up there during their revival.”
Art: And sure enough they convinced me and I kept playing and just a few months went by and I realized I was always laying my trumpet on the chair and I would like to have a stand that I could put my trumpet on. So I went in our churches sound booth there was a junk corner on a whim maybe there’s a trumpet stand. And I found this stand that held about 5 or 6 different instruments there was a place for a saxophone and a flute and of course a trumpet and bingo this is it. And it belonged to a guy named Dave who passed away 5 years earlier so I knew that he didn’t need it any more.
Art: And I brought it down, set it up on stage and put my trumpet on it and all of these other apparatus were sticking out from the thing but it was great it held my trumpet. And you know I heard the story of Elijah and Elisha and it might have even been that morning in Sunday School but on a whim with child like faith I was about 16 years old I said “Lord I want this to be like Elijah’s mantle handed off to Elisha and I want double what Dave had.” And I went to get a sip of water before the worship service just like I always did and when I came back the sheet music that I had written my 3 note harmony on was gone, the worship leader had changed some songs at the last minute and here I was not know what I was going to do. The drums started playing and I’m like well “This is it.” So I picked up my trumpet and started playing by ear like I never had before in my life. And since then I’ve picked up all of these instruments pretty quickly.
Sid: How many instruments do you play right now?
Art: Well most of them I haven’t played for a long time I’ve kind of settled on piano and guitar.
Sid: How many could you play at one time?
Art: Probably a little over 20.
Sid: Twenty instruments and you can’t even sing on tune?
Art: I can sing on tune now.
Sid: Oh you can now.
Art: I actually got a voice yes and now I lead worship and I play mostly piano when I lead worship sometimes guitar; I play on my church worship team.
Sid: So just out of…let me just ask you a couple of questions because I’m curious. How long did it take you to learn how to play the piano?
Art: A week.
Sid: I protest that’s unfair. How long did it take you to learn the saxophone?
Art: Six hours.
Sid: How long did it take you to learn the flute?
Art: Two hours.
Sid: How many instruments had you been able to play?
Art: Previously I could barely crank out something on a kazoo (Chuckling).
Sid: And currently you can play?
Art: Yeah in some level of skill over 20 I’m by no means a Mozart on them but (Laughing) I can play (Laughing).
Sid: Okay we have people on the edge of their seat and I put my glasses on I have to be honest my staff knew but you don’t know I’m taking them off again. So I’m getting ready for you to pray for everyone but also me. And now does this count for any condition that anyone has that you’re going to pray for? In fact why don’t you teach for 3 or 4 minutes and then pray.
Art: A yeah Jesus paid the price 100% for your spiritual healing, emotional healing, emotional healing and wants you to be completely whole because He wants you to be able to relate to Him and obey Him to the fullest capacity that you’re able. That doesn’t mean that you can’t obey him when you’re sick but you know as well as I do that when your body is fully functioning it’s a whole lot easier to do things that you couldn’t do if you stayed the same. So what we’re going to do we’re going to seek the Lord for complete wholeness which Jesus already decided He wants to do. We don’t have to beg God because we don’t have more compassion than He does He wants it more than you do; He wants it more than I do. He was whipped for it I wasn’t by His stripes we are healed. So if I could just help you see that this is not about you doing the right thing or jumping through the right hoop it’s all about Jesus doing the right thing. He paid the price for it He wants it He would never pay for something He didn’t want. I tell people that you know if you went to Wal-Mart and bought the biggest big screen TV that you could find and you had it delivered to your house opened up the box and it was empty you’d be pretty irate you’d be at Wal-Mart you’d be on the phone you’d say “Give me my money or give me my TV.” “You don’t pay for something that you don’t want and Jesus paid a price much higher than a measly $5000 so that you could be completely whole body, soul and spirit. So right now I just speak to every sickness, every disease leave in Jesus name. Pain stop eyes open, deaf ears open in Jesus name. Back problems especially I’m feeling right now. I was healed of 4 years of degenerative disc disease in 2011 and I’m still completely whole. So I want to speak specifically to degenerative disks especially in the back and neck be complete whole receive new life right now. And I just speak to legs and knees arthritis be healed in Jesus name. Cancer disappear, tumors shrivel up. There was a woman in Africa the report came to me that she showed up with tumor on her stomach so large that she was…she looked pregnant and when we ministered healing from the stage and said…commanded tumors to leave in the name of Jesus name she said that it completely vanished. And so I just speak that over you as well as well if you’ve got tumors, you’ve got cysts they seem to melt under our hands and we know that Jesus paid for it. If there’s anybody who can test out your condition immediately start to do it start to move around and try to do something you couldn’t do don’t injure yourself if you’re not healed its okay you’re doing everything right. But if you are healed I want you to test and test it and test it and don’t be afraid to step out and see what God has done.
Sid: Okay you’ve been challenged; I’m going to tell you something you are..there is no reason why you can’t do everything that Art can do. As a matter of face I believe that you can even do it better…..Art give me a couple of nuggets that are going to help our people.
Art: Yeah I would say some people are afraid of saying the wrong thing or doing the wrong thing, you know there is something to be said about representing Jesus well. And I’ve learned that the only way you can do it wrong is just to miss represent Him. So you know I encourage people focus on the character side so that whether a person is healed or not the person that you ministering to still encounters a measure of Jesus. And so I want to make sure I’m walking humbly, I’m being gentle. I’ve learned that your authority is not based on the volume of your voice it’s based on Ephesians 2:6 that right now you are seated on the throne with Jesus at the right hand of the Father. You can whisper with authority and the demons will flee. The key is finding James where he said “Submit yourselves then to God resist the devil and he will flee.” So #1 Submit to God and #2 Resist the devil and if you do that you’re going to see far more results than you’ve ever imagined. But again don’t wait until your character is perfect before you step out step out the Lord will correct you. You know God told Moses to speak to a rock and water would come out and instead Moses struck it. Now the good news is water still came out of the rock. God’s desire was still accomplished; the bad news is Moses was disciplined for it. Now thankfully we’re in a covenant where Jesus takes our punishment so you know we’re not going to get kicked out of the promise land for ministering the wrong way. But the truth is He still disciplines those He loves and punishes everyone he receives as a son. And so He will correct you He’ll walk you as a son; “Son you did it wrong let’s just do it differently next time you can represent me well and we’re going to keep doing this thing together.” It’s a really great way to live and I can’t right now imagine living any other way.
Sid: Tell me about the first healing miracle once you were activated that occurred in your life.
Art: Yep this was when I preached to my youth group that Jesus wants to heal and He wants you to do it. And there was an intern in our church who being an intern had no money, no health insurance and had an ear infection that he just let go. And it was causing excruciating pain and he had actually lost some of the hearing in that ear. And so there was a group of 7th grade boys who were ministering to him just like I taught them in the sermon but again I still had never seen that happen through me. So even though I had just preached with all of this emphasis that God’s going to do it I still didn’t…I wasn’t sure that He would use me. So I stood back and let the kids minister to each other and the 7th grade boys laid hands on the intern be healed in Jesus name nothing happened. And so they…he came up to me the intern and he said “Pastor I feel bad they prayed for they prayed for me nothing happened what should I do?”
Sid: And of course that’s where I’m at right now except that’s where I’m at right now except you didn’t lay hands on me. I don’t feel bad either but I want to be able to see, what advice did you give him, what advice are you going to give me?
Art: Yep I said to those boys…I told the intern go back to them have them do the same thing again. So they did they did it again they had the 7th or 8th grade boys came up to me “Pastor we tried everything.” And I’m like “Really what did you try?” And they listed “You know we laid hands on him, we commanded him to be healed, we prayed for him.” And no I didn’t I don’t’ think it’s going to work for me I’m just trying to be a typical smart aleck youth pastor who thinks of something they haven’t done.” And I said “You didn’t try everything did you, did you try this?” And I strugged forward and stuck my finger in the interns ear and just said “Open.” And the intern said “Oh my gosh that worked.” And of course I was more surprised than he was, “I got it to work really?”
Art: I learned in that moment I didn’t even say in Jesus name like your suppose to I did everything wrong but I learned it wasn’t about having…it wasn’t about doing everything right it was simply about obeying and believing Jesus and making an opportunity for Him to touch someone. And the more we persevere the more we speak to that stuff. I mean I was healed I had scars all over my face from 2nd degree sunburn and after a vision of where the Lord I saw Him appear to Thomas and say “Put your finger where the nails were.” I felt He was speaking to me I didn’t take the pain and suffering for your sins so you don’t have to but I also even now bare the scares so you don’t have to.” And then I put my hands on my face and said “Jesus take the scars nothing, happened but I made it part of my daily routine kept laying hands on my face Jesus take the scars and within 1 month it was 4½ years before it was even medically plausible for this to happen everyone of those scars disappeared.
Sid: Alright I got my advice…
Sid: Let me tell you about a dream I was just telling my guest Dr. Paul Gervais about this. A few years ago I had a dream now many people have dreams and some are from Pizza and some are from the Lord very symbolic and many don’t even understand what God is saying in these symbolic dreams but every once in a while you get a dream that is literal where God Himself comes to you. And the Lord came to me and He says “Sid more Jewish people have come to know Me through Your book than anything you’ve ever done.” And I said to the Lord Paul “I had the audacity to say to the Lord “Oh, my testimony book it’s finally taken off.” And He said “No Sid your book of Jewish testimonies.” Now before I could tell Him that I didn’t have a book of Jewish testimonies I woke up.” And guess what I did Paul as soon as humanly possible I got a book of Jewish testimonies 100’s and 1000’s of them have been given to Jewish people throughout the world it’s translated into 6 languages now. And I believe in Russian alone it’s some 500,000 that we have printed. And the Russian Jews are coming to the Lord but I just got a report from the fellow that runs TBN Russia for Paul Crouch; he sent me an email he said “Sid, we are getting so much positive feedback from your Russian version of “They Thought for Themselves” that’s the name of the book; we’re getting so much feedback but this was the most unusual letter I’ve ever received a very wealthy Jewish businessman from Moscow happened to be in Budapest, Hungry on a train. He fell asleep but as he was waking up he sees a woman over him and he looks startled and the woman puts a book into his hand and says to him “You must read this book.” So he looks down at the book, then he looks up at the woman and she’s gone and there’s no way that she could have been gone he thinks maybe it’s an angel. And he reads the book and it turns out to be the Russian version of the book “They Thought for Themselves” the one God told me to write. He gets radically saved he’s in a congregation on fire for Jesus. And I’ll tell you something Paul’s there’s nothing more exciting than having intimacy with God, hearing His voice and doing what He’s called us to do. You were telling us about an open vision on yesterday’s broadcast in which you literally saw the parts-room of heaven. But I understand that this is manifesting in your ministry. For instance you had someone that needed a colon tell me about him.
Paul: Mike Pinoshin was diagnosed with ulcerated colitis and Crohn’s disease.
Paul: Which appeared to be fatal in his situation his family was falling apart because of the anx’s that Michael was carrying around. Spent most of his time in the bathroom bleeding, had to watch a diet; he was sort of I don’t want to say cohered but encouraged to attend one of my miracle services in Maine. And the individual who brought him along was also a black belt in karate both of them are a black belts. And Michael thought that he was going to be attending some kind of a vitamin health seminar that might help his ulcerated colitis. But during the Miracle Service words of knowledge spring forth. By the way God is healing cancer cans of metastatic cancer right now in a left lung. Ears are opening up, gold teeth are manifesting all over the nation. And I want you to after this broadcast look in their and He will confirm the word with signs following. And this will be a positive contagion that you’ll take out into the world as a witness.
Sid: You see it’s going to be a layman’s movement it’s not going to be the superstar it’ll be The Super Star! Yeshua the King of the Jews operating through you we’re going to have…Paul I am so convinced that we’re going to have the reformation that will cause a restoration of what the first church was. And in the first church it wasn’t paid professionals it was every man, every woman a worker. And I’ll tell you the anointing is going to be so strong that people are going to where ever you walk it’ll be like Peter where you’re shadow it will cause someone to be healed. Okay, let’s go back to Mike now what happened to him?
Paul: I’ll say that in addition to that do you remember the son of the cat’s bag it purrs and rises up. The very ground that you walk on from this point on and it will gain on intensity momentum will literally purr all creation awaits manifestation of the sons and the daughters of God. So the old song “The earth move under my feet” is the literally going to happen. But Mike Pinoshin became a follower at the end of that particular meeting and said “I believe I’m the individual whom you described and also concerned about the flying out. Probably 99 per cent or the people prayed for were overcome by the precious Holy Spirit and His presence. So felt that I was touching a nerve in the neck and so any way I told him that I know in my spirit that this word is for you. I laid my finger on Michael’s forehead and he levitated literally off the floor, had been on prednisone so his head was swollen like sticking a pin in a balloon he had just popped and went down to normal size. He was overcome by the Holy Spirit while on the floor taking up an issue relative to the passing of his grandfather whom he loved tremendously and this had been sort of a stopping place between a relationship without a relationship with the Father and Mike. And just felt while lying there a lot of time there the presence of the Holy Spirit the love of God. I think the greatest miracle that took place next to the new colon being established in his system and the Crohn’s disease vanishing the fact that Michael Pinoshin really and truly experienced the Father’s agape unconditional love, that love that sent Jesus into this world. And by the fruit yea shall know them as a result of all of that Michael accepted Christ as did his family which remained together and he is preaching the gospel.
Sid: Tell me what the doctor’s have to say about Mike’s new colon?
Paul: Well, their scratching their heads they’ve never seen anything like it before. And of course humanity want to contribute this to men but they cannot come up with an explanation you don’t go from ulcerated colitis and Crohn’s disease. And right now as we talk Sid I’m looking at before and after scopes of Mike Pinoshin’s colon an it’s absolutely profound. This is something that happened immediately it wasn’t a gradual healing but instant manifestation. And all they can do as medical people and I have the lab report also in front of me is to relate that basically that Mike Pinoshin is healed; that the colon is not the same one that was originally in there.
Sid: But let me ask you a question on the television show which we recently did you made a statement that I have been pondering and it’s so wonderful. And you made a statement you said that “You believe that heaven and earth are getting closer together.” What do you mean by that?
Paul: I’ll never forget walking outside the hotel and looking at the beautiful clouds and I said “Lord it appears that they’re so much closer literally to the ground and He said “Well, in essence they are heaven and earth are kissing one another; and My will is about to be done on earth as it is in heaven.” And it’s going to be so much easier listener to hear the Father’s voice more so than ever before. As a matter of fact the Lord related to me that you’ll literally be able to discern the heartbeat of the Father. And the works that you see Him doing you’ll do. Everything comes out of intimacy and so there’s a literal drawing neigh unto the earth just as the Father sent Jesus 2000 years ago He is sending Him in presence first and then in person.
Sid: See the problem that I see Paul with the world is religion. Religion is man’s attempt to love and serve God. And what God wants us all to do is to learn how to yield to Him, have intimacy with Him, not limit God the way every generation has done. Because this is the generation of all of generations in history that everything is in place for the Messiah to return. And I believe as the Orthodox Jews say “We literally can hear the footsteps of Messiah.” ….The purpose of this ministry it’s a prophetic ministry you’ve got to understand intimacy with God, yielding to the Spirit, ministry that comes from intimacy with God. Nothing else will spend when you get to heaven everything else will burn and fall apart. The only ministry that counts is based on intimacy with God but you have to understand the prophetic times that we’re in, you must understand what’s going on in the Middle East; you must understand what God’s knitting Jews and Christians together. There is the resistance that was in the heavenies is down, the scales are down, this is God’s time to reach Jewish people to get Jewish people into the church. In the book of Roman’s where Paul spoke about in Roman’s 11 that “Salvation has come to the Gentile to provoke the Jew to Jealousy.” You understand what that means? That means that you’re call you’re saying “God what is my call?” Do what is written Roman’s 11:11 “Provoke Jews to jealousy.”
Sid: I have on the telephone a good friend Shira Sorko-Ram she’s really a pioneer in Israel, she’s been there since 1967. Shira and her husband Ari have a wonderful congregation in the Tel Aviv area. Their organization is called Maoz and I’m speaking to her at her home in Tel Aviv. And she can’t wait to finish the interview so she can go out and go out and have dinner with her husband but as she explained on yesterday’s broadcast it’s a tense area. You literally have to pray before you go out to a restaurant we here in the west can’t even comprehend that Shira.
Shira: Right I live 2 blocks from the beach area and that has been where some of the most intense bombing has happened of restaurants. And then up the other way also there’s been also probably 3 or 4 bombs since the intifada started. So we do we stay prayed up we don’t walk in fear we just… we try to be wise and not do stupid things. But like a year ago one of our members wanted to have a birthday party for another member so we went to a restaurant and might have been like oh 15 from our congregation. There and there were 2 restaurants right together with like glass-plate windows altogether. The very next night a bomber just got out of a car and walked up right next door and bombed and the whole thing went up in smoke. So we went on the right night praise the Lord, I thank the Lord He kept us. And we pray over our people we pray for their safety, we have a number of soldiers in our congregation we continually pray for their safety. Actually we even have one person in our congregation whose not that strong of a believer yet, but he was in one of the last bombings in this place called “Mike’s Place,” it was right next to the Christian I mean American Embassy. And he was in there with some unsaved friends and shouldn’t have been in there but about 5 minutes before this bomber walked in or came up to the restaurant he felt the urge and he just said to his friends “We’ve got to get out of here.” And his friends said “Oh, you’re going to ruin the night for us” but he insisted on leaving and as they were walking down the street they heard the boom behind them. So God was even merciful to someone that’s not even that close to Him.
Sid: Shira you told me there’s a total change in the atmosphere in Israel as far as open to the gospel even your congregation has just been growing by leaps and bounds. Tell me about a few of the miracles in your congregation.
Shira: Just wonderful, one of our young men came in and he had been living a homosexual lifestyle and he just came in. We hardly prayed for him he says, this is it I have found the truth I’m giving this other lifestyle up. And we were just amazed because we figured it would be something that really needed dealt with and prayed with. And perhaps there’s demonic work there, but he just said “No, this is it!” Well we didn’t tell the rest of the congregation but 3 weeks ago he stood up and said “I’ve got to tell you what God has done for me; he freed me from this lifestyle that I’ve been living in now my life is given to Him.” So I mean talk about a work of the Holy Spirit. Another one is wonderful gal who’s not she and her husband are heading up our children’s department or actually our youth department. And she comes from a kibbutz and she’s always looked for God she said “All her life she’s raised on an atheistic kibbutz.” But she said, “Even as a child she would pray to God “God are You there? God are You… can You hear me?” And then she got in touch with some Orthodox people and she became very strong Orthodox Jewess; you know the whole garb and all of the lifestyle of that. But after awhile she said that she saw so much hypocrisy and there wasn’t the heart thing you know the love of God. So it disappointed her and she left it and then she said as she was praying a prayer all she could explain is that the Holy Spirit hovered over her and begin to show her that Yeshua was the Messiah and this came out of like faith you know what I’m saying out of nowhere. And she got a hold of some believers and she is a fiercely strong born again Messianic Israeli. There was another lady who was so anorexic that when she came into our congregation they had to help her in she couldn’t stand up by herself. I mean if you look at her you saw death on her face. She has been transformed by the love of the Lord. We as believers have helped her start a little business she’s making the most gorgeous jewelry now you have seen in your life. So it just goes on and on another man who was traumatized in the Yom Kippur War in 1973 and he’s 100% disability and is supported by the state. He was traumatized and never got over the paranoia, but he got a Christian lady that married him from South America and she brought him as a Jewish person to our congregation. He now loves the Lord and is serving the Lord and is improving, you see improvement all the time before he couldn’t sit through a service at all he had to get up every few minutes. He’s now sitting through a service so these are the miracles that are happening. Oh, I want to tell you this, a couple of days ago had another young lady beautiful young lady that came to the faith and we found out that her mother and father own a store where Ari and I have been buying things for 20 years. And so we found out from the mother and father that when they found out that their daughter was connected to, they didn’t know what, they were so worried that it was some kind of cult. And the mother wasn’t sleeping at night so the daughter went home and said when we told the daughter we said “Oh, we know your parents because we’ve been buying there.” And so she went home and told her parents and they were so overjoyed and they said “Oh if it’s Ari and Shira because they known us for 20 years that’s great.” So shortly we’re going to take them out to dinner and we believe that the parents are quite close they’re the types that’d just jump at the truth if they knew it. And so it goes on and on.
Sid: Shira let me ask you a question that’s really must get an answer to and that is you’ve lived in the land since 1967 the land of Israel you’ve see it go from a 100 Hebrew speaking believers to over 100 congregations of Messianic Jews in the land of Israel. What’s on the forefront? I want you to give me… you’ve studied the Bible all of these years, you’ve come from such a godly heritage your mother and your father; what is your sanctified prophetic understanding of what’s going to happen next in Israel?
Shira: You know that is something that really needs to be discussed at length, but my understanding of what I can see in the scriptures that there has to be a significant revival among the Jewish people both abroad and especially in Israel before the coming of the Lord. Yeshua said “You will not see Me until you say ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’” And He was speaking to the religious Pharisees, Sadducees that didn’t believe in Him at all. And so I think that that’s one… there’s a number of verses that I think correlate this understanding that there has to be this revival among the Jewish people, then the Jewish people are to be a light to the Gentiles. The Lord said through Paul in Hebrews 11 “That the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.” And He was speaking specifically about Israel. So her call cannot be changed and she was called to bless the world, God told Abraham…
Sid: Oh Shira, your right we need another week on this we’re out of time. Thank you so much for being my guest. Mishpochah you heard the prophetic word you heard her say that there must be a revival before… among Jewish people before the Messiah returns in the nations as well is in Israel.
SID: You know, I’m reminded of the scripture, “This is eternal life that you might have experiential knowledge with Him.” That’s in the Wuest translation. Jane, how can we stop what’s going on with these young kids that either go to college or they’re that age. They’re raised as Christians, but they never, they were much like you. They just had the head knowledge. They believe because their parents told them to believe. The minute they get to college or they get among peers who make fun of them, they drop their faith. How can we make a difference as we raise them?
JANE: Well I did have that same experience because all of my knowledge about the Lord was head knowledge. And I walked away from my faith in college and recommitted my life to Christ right as I was applying to medical school. And I have such a passion to teach children and young adults to experience God’s presence, to experience these personalized answers to prayer. Because once you experience hearing God or see supernatural answers to your prayer, you can’t deny that God exists and you start to see how much He loves you, because He shows you how He cares about the smallest details in your life, and then your faith builds.
SID: My favorite story about your daughter is a birthday party and she got an unusual gift, a sock. But it wasn’t just a sock. It was a sock that had been used with a hole in it. Tell me about that.
JANE: Yes. My daughter received a gift. It was a special pair of multi-colored socks and she was so excited. It was from her best friend. When she opened the gift and she tried them on at home, there was a hole in the sock. So she came to me absolutely upset and very angry because she felt like the friend had played a trick on her, was doing something mean. Well I said to her, you know, let’s ask God what his truth is about this. So we sat and listened and God was showing me that the child couldn’t afford to give her a gift, but wanted to. And so this was the only thing she could do was to give her a pair of her own socks. But I didn’t want to tell my daughter that. I wanted her to hear that from God herself, and God showed her that. And all of a sudden, her countenance changed and her anger disappears, and she starts to have compassion. She said, “Mom, God just showed me that she really wanted to give me a present, but she couldn’t afford it.” And then she felt sorry that she had gotten mad, and she had compassion for this little girl.
SID: What a life lesson. But what about adults that never had that good a training. They didn’t have an apprentice-of-prayer mother. How do we hear God?
JANE: Well I teach people that you need to be in a quiet place because you don’t want to be thinking about distractions, your cell phone, your to-do list, what you’re going to have for supper. You also need to learn how to quiet your mind. Now many people are talking in their head while they’re praying, and what they’re usually doing is analyzing the problem and coming up with solutions, not listening to God.
SID: So they’re doing a God bypass and they don’t even realize it.
JANE: That’s right.
SID: And they don’t even realize it.
JANE: That’s right. They don’t. And I used to do this myself because in high school I was the queen of pros and cons lists, and I have a very linear, logical way of thinking.
SID: I see that.
JANE: Right. So.
SID: You know why I see it?
SID: So do I.
JANE: Which is great for medicine.
JANE: But it doesn’t work for prayer because, again, you’re relying on your human logic and reasoning, and that will filter out God’s best solution for you. So I had to learn to get rid of the pros and cons lists, because Romans 8:6 says that, “The mind of the flesh is sense and reason without the Holy Spirit.” And that convicted me that I was using my sense and reason to solve my problems. I really wasn’t listening for God’s answer. And so then I began to quiet my mind. I began to relax and focus on hearing and expecting to hear an answer from Him.
SID: Now that’s key, not just hearing, but there’s a faith dimension. Did you catch it? Expecting, expectancy. I am going to hear from God. When we come back, Jane was mentored by the Holy Spirit on power prayer, and I want her to share one of the supernatural secrets. Don’t go away.
Sid: Now what is more red hot for the Messiah than one Jewish Believer in the Messiah? How about 2 Jewish Believers in the Messiah. Whart I believe is when you get one Jewish Believer in the Messiah together with one Gentile Believer in the Messiah and the two come together there is a chemistry, a chemical explosion that occurs in the Spirit realm. Now we’re talking this week about the Biblical Festivals because this Friday night begins Rosh Hashanah, Feast of Trumpets. And by the way on the Shabbat broadcast on Friday’s broadcast we’re going to blow the shofar, and there’s such an anointing on it. And my guest is Michael Lane who I’ve know for over 25 years he’s a Jewish Believer in the Messiah, he’s a tremendous Bible Teacher specialty in the Biblical Festivals. And people say “Yeah but that’s the Old Covenant we don’t want to fool with the Old Covenant.” The truth of the matter is that I think some the names are misnomers Michael in the Old Covenant, New Covenant. I think it’s all one book, and there’s no way that you can understand the Old Covenant without the New and there’s no way that you can understand the New without the Old. And it’s sort of like the One New Man Michael where you need the Jewish Believer and the Gentile Believer need each other. And somehow many Jewish Believers think that we’re going to lead the next revival. And then many Christians don’t even see a place for the Jewish Believer and no, no, no you’re all wrong we’re not going to have the next revival until we get together. What do you think about that Michael?
Michael: Yes when this one new man comes together this one new man of Ephesians 2 they’ll be energized by the Lord and understand the appreciate…understand and appreciate the spiritual blessings symbolized by the Feasts in Psalm 89:15 speaks of that in the Amplified of course. But it says “Blessed and happy and fortunate to be envied are the people who know the joyful sound of the Shofar (And this Friday night coming up is the Feast of Trumpets) who understand and appreciate the spiritual blessings symbolized by the Feasts; they walk oh Lord in the light and favor of Thy Countenance” And yes there’s a progression of redemption that somehow the Jew and the Gentile are going to come together in this last days and celebrate the Feasts. And Paul says “Celebrate the Feasts of Unleavened Bread in Corinthians in sincerity and truth.” It’s not necessarily doing this, it’s not necessarily dancing a Horah or what we eat it’s something spiritual it says “Understand and appreciate the spiritual blessing symbolized by the Feast.” We’re looking at the Lord’s first coming at Passover time and the Lord’s second coming at Tabernacles Time which is encumbrance with Atonement and Feast of Trumpets. The middle Feast Pentecost, the giving of the law, which represents the Church Age we’re in now. And we’re coming up to the time prophetically where we see that the Lord is starting to gather His people together and blowing the trumpets we’re starting to see things that He spoke about in scriptures starting to happen in light of His second coming coming soon!
Sid: Now Rosh Hashanah, which is as you said starts this Friday evening, has a lot of different names another name for Rosh Hashanah is the Feast of Trumpets when the shofar is blown. What is your understanding of the shofar? I know you blow the shofar and in fact there’s a funny story about the shofar Mishpochah because Michael and I went to Siberia a place called Magadan. I remember we were leaving leaving Siberia and I went on ahead of Michael and I hear Michael screaming Sid come back, come back! What was going on Michael?
Michael: Well they were trying to confiscate my shofar and they were saying… I don’t remember what they were saying they were partly speaking in Russian. But that I wasn’t allowed to take it out of the country because I probably had something to do with it there in the country and I wasn’t allowed to take it out because I guess I didn’t sign for it going in. Now they don’t have shofars I don’t think antelopes or rams horns in Russia but they wanted to keep that shofar.
Sid: And so I remember I said “Tell them it’s a musical instrument, no better yet blow the shofar, so what happened?”
Michael: Well prove that it’s a musical instrument, they didn’t know what it was really and they said “Well, play it then.” And in the airport it’s very ? And so I blew that shofar and they said “Okay stop.” And I just kept blowing it like yes, it was good.
Sid: Tell me a bit about what you know about the shofar since this is the Feast of Trumpets coming up Friday.
Michael: Well the shofar… there’s 2 kinds of trumpets in scriptures one’s the ram’s horn which is off a bullock or a ram. And the other is a slivery trumpet that maybe we’re building a Tabernacle of old we had to give ½ shekel the redemption of our soul which was used for ransom money or some of these trumpets were made of that. Trumpet wise in Numbers I think it’s Numbers 10 where you see there’s a whole list the first 9 or 10 verses of why the trumpet was blown in Israel. And this is an interesting study just in itself. In itself because the calling of the Assemblies was one when the 12 Tribes need to be gathered together as one nation the Lord blew… He has somebody blow the trumpet. And obviously at the coming of the Lord the Messiah the trumpet’s going to sound and the gather to the elect in the 4 corners of the earth. For us now prophetically the Lord is blowing trumpets, He’s gathering His people there have been unity meetings, people have been coming together, there’s been fires of revival around the world in different places. And for the first time in many years this is starting to happen. And then there was the calling of the princes where the leaders would come together. And for the first time in centuries you see denominational people coming together for prayer meetings and reconciliation meetings it’s getting there we’re not there yet the calling of the princes. Then one of the main things the trumpets were blown for in those days was alarms where we talk about in Joel where it says “Blow a trumpet in Zion and sound an alarm in My holy mountain.” In Nehemiah’s time we want to blow the trumpet so that God will come and fight for us was an amazing thing in those days they blew the trumpet and God would come and fight for us. Now the enemy knows that he knows the scriptures and he knows that the Lord’s going to come with a shout, an arch angel and the sound of the trumpet. And so whenever we blow the trumpet it seems to bring an anointing in meetings lately the last bunch of years. But when God heard the trumpet He would come to fight for His people and you know Gideon used it he just had 300 men but they each had a trumpet in their hand.
Sid: Now I’m reminded of an ancient rabbinical story and it goes like this “That whenever you blow the rams horn, or the shofar, it drives the devil nuts.”
Sid: What do you think about that?
Michael: Well I just said that, I think that because he know when the Lord’s going to come that there’s going to be a trumpet sound. And when he hears that he doesn’t know the scriptures maybe that well. I’ll say he probably wouldn’t have allowed the Lord to be killed. But he probably thinks “Maybe this is the time the Lord’s coming back and so he’s petrified!
Sid: I got it so if everyone in their home blows the shofar…
Sid: The demons they’ll think “Ah this is it we go to the lake of fire!”
Sid: Well my goodness I’ll tell you what we have it cranked up for Friday but Bob can you crank that shofar up right now? (Shofar blast!) let’s see if we can drive a few demons nuts!
Michael: Isaiah 58 says “Cry aloud do not hold back. Raise your voice.” (We have to raise our voices like the shofar like the trumpet) and declare to My people there transgressions and to Jacob their sins.” Like John the Baptist was out there crying in the wilderness “Prepare the way of the Lord, this is kind of our prophetic calling in these last days.” The voice of the Lord is also seen in Revelation it says… John turned around it was almost like the voice of the trumpet and all of the different churches that were written to there we are to have love and patience and peace in the light of persecution and things like that. Aaron and his sons were the ones responsible to blow the trumpet in Numbers 10. And if you look at the 5 fold ministry of Ephesians 4 this is very interesting that I learned a couple of years ago that Aaron and his 4 sons kind of represents the 5 fold ministry. The word Aaron the name Aaron means enlightened he’s the apostle. Nadab means liberty freely given is the evangelist. Avihu, he is my father he is the prophet. Elieazer God is my helper, he’s the pastor. And Ithimar is the teacher it’s a habitual desirable spot of polishing. Very interesting because everything because everything in the Old Covenant has everything you mentioned in the New Covanent.
Sid: Now why in your opinion should a Gentile Believer that loves the Lord but doesn’t know the Old Covenant that well and doesn’t know didly about the Biblical Fetivals why should they learn this?
Michael: I think because if the Lord came exactly on Passover and when that first Passover lamb was supposed to be… I was going to say crucified, slain, that we might have what you mentioned in the beginning the family redemption. We will understand more about what Passover and unleavened bread really is and the Feasts of First Fruits and the spout that comes up in His resurrection the Gentile Believers will understand their redemption and how our redemption is progressive. Because it goes from Passover to unleavened bread to First Fruits just in a nutshell real quick if we have time Passover the Lamb was shed but unleavened Bread what does that mean to us? There was the leaven of the Pharisees that say and do not, there was the leaven of the Sadducees. And how many times in our lives do we not believe in the supernatural or the Spirit or resurrection or the leaven of Herod because he was sensual and full of anger and murderous. How many times were we angry with someone? And the leaven of Galatia where we mix the Spirit with the flesh and we become Pharisees; so we look at these things and I’m seeing in my life that I’m just trying to fulfill Passover and Unleavened Bread.