SID: Hello. Sid Roth here. Welcome to my world where it’s naturally supernatural. My guest, some 40 years ago, was on a fast track in his career and all of a sudden God invaded his living room, flattened him to the floor and instantly downloaded in picture form the stories of the Bible as if he was there. And he said that very few of the End Time views of what’s going to happen in the last days are correct because they don’t understand the Jew and Israel, and once you do it’s simple. I protest. Why do I protest? Because Dr. Richard Booker had such a supernatural experience with God. Richard walked down the aisle as a Southern Baptist, but then got enmeshed in his career, Occidental Petroleum. You were a top executive. You were on a fast track and all of a sudden almost out of the blue he gets an insatiable hunger. Now remember, all he knows is he walked down the aisle and he believes the Gospel, but that’s on the side burner. And all of a sudden he’s hungry for God. So tell me about the day that God answered that hunger.
RICHARD: You know Sid, God is so wonderful and I didn’t have a Bible, but I was supposed to, I was invited to go to a Bible study by my business friends, so I had to go to something called a Christian bookstore and get a Bible. And I came home, and I started reading Leviticus. Doesn’t everybody?
SID: That’s enough to stop you right in the tracks.
RICHARD: But you know, the devil keeps people out of Leviticus because that’s the motherlode of the Gospel in the First Testament. But anyway, I started reading Leviticus. Then I started studying it. I’m educated. I know how to study. But then I got one of those big concordances, you know. And the Bible says if you seek God with your whole heart you’ll find him. You’re gonna run into him sooner or later. So one day in 1974, as I was studying Leviticus I had this encounter with God where it was like I was on the Emmaus road where Jesus appeared to two of his disciples.
Man 1: What’s up? What are you discussing?
Man 2: You must be the only person in Jerusalem who hasn’t heard about the things that happened there the last few days.
Man 3: What things?
Man 1 The things that happened to Jesus of Nazareth. He was a prophet. He did powerful miracles.
RICHARD: It’s like the Holy Spirit let me be a third disciple to hear what Jesus said.
Man: As it is written by Moses and all of the prophets, Moses was once told that there would be a greater prophet than him, and I am the prophet.
RICHARD: And God instantly and dramatically downloaded in a heaven second, whatever that is, the entire Bible into my core being. And we have 66 books in our Bible, so Sid, it was like 66 bombs going off inside me. I literally thought I would die. I literally hid under my desk. You know how humans do silly things.
RICHARD: God can’t find me there, you know. I hid under my…
SID: Now your wife had the same background as you.
SID: And what did she think when she saw you flat on the floor? I understand you couldn’t even walk without, except you could walk on all fours, crawling.
RICHARD: I did hide under my desk and I begged God not to show me anymore. I literally thought I would explode. The human being can’t take a whole lot of the Creator, you know. Well, but I couldn’t walk for a while. I pulled myself along on the carpet trying to get to the couch with every ounce of energy I could get and pulled myself up on the couch, rolled up there and just would lay there for hours until the weight of the Glory of God would lift. And John the Baptist said that Jesus will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and with fire. Sid, my hands were on fire and they were burning. They were hot. Well I was a Baptist. I didn’t know what to do. I put, this is not supposed to happen, you know, but it happened to me. So I put my hands under the faucet thinking the water would cool my hands. It didn’t help a bit. The fire was on the inside. This changed my life dramatically, Sid, when the whole Bible, people don’t know that the Bible is a picture book and all of the Hebrew Bible, what Christians call the Old Testament, is just a picture of a person. When you get a puzzle the first thing you look at is the picture and that tells you what it’s supposed to look like.
SID: Even seeing the picture I have a hard time putting a thousand pieces together.
RICHARD: Exactly. So often as Christians we read these stories maybe in the Bible or we maybe went to Sunday school and heard little stories, but it doesn’t really connect. They don’t grasp. I didn’t grasp that the Bible, the Hebrew Bible, what we call the Old Testament, Christians, it’s a picture of a person, and every part of the Hebrew Bible is a little puzzle that when you put it all together it’s a picture of the Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth.
SID: You have spent the last 40 years after this download studying keys that most Christians don’t study. You have studied the Jewish culture, the nation Israel, their geography, their geology, their archeology. Why was this so important to study the Jew in Israel?
RICHARD: Because Sid, what we have is a Bible that’s a Middle Eastern book. We live in the western world here and we’re trying to understand the Bible as if it was a western theological seminary book. Well Jesus was and is, and always will be a Jew. He taught in his culture using Jewish idioms and figures of speech.
SID: These were idioms that you can’t take literally because they meant something different in the eastern culture than they do in the western. But what he found was there was a total understanding of the scenario and sequence of events of the End Times that was really different than what most people teach. And he also found something about the biblical feasts, and he found the time to get the most miracles. We’ll be right back.
Sid: My guest by way of telephone is Sandra Kennedy I’m speaking to her at her headquarters in Augusta, Georgia the Whole Life Ministries. And I think it’s wonderful when someone at a young age knows their destiny before God. Sandra as a child God spoke to you of about your destiny tell me about that.
Sandra: Yeah I was about 6 years old Sid I heard a voice it sounded to me like an audible voice it said “One day I’m going to use you in healing.” And of course you have heard me say in times gone by that I’ll even pray over the animals on the farm right there in Georgia a very small farm. I’d pray over the animals and always believed in healing even though I’d never really heard any teaching on healing but I just believe in my heart you know that healing belonged to us today and that God was still in the healing business.
Sid: Out of curiosity Sandra after all of the years have you kept your childlike faith?
Sandra: Yes I have thank God.
Sid: That’s the key isn’t it?
Sandra: That’s the key.
Sid: Now when you were on an airplane and your mother was dying from cancer and again God spoke to you what did he say?
Sandra: Well I wasn’t Spirit-filled but as a Southern Baptist girl working for a Southern Baptist Convention flying home and had gotten a call that she wouldn’t make it through the weekend and she was sent home to die and was in a coma. And of course it was years ago and people did that I heard what sounded to me like an audible voice.
Sid: Now exactly what was wrong with your mom?
Sandra: She had cancer.
Sid: Do you know what kind?
Sandra: I don’t remember what kind I just know that she had been at the Medical College of Georgia and they had sent her home at the last stages of cancer. And this was again almost 30 years ago.
Sandra: And had sent her home to die and she was in a semi-type coma and when I when I arrived home as a matter of fact she didn’t know I was there. But any way on the plane I heard this voice say “Tell your mother the Lord’s Prayer.” And this is part of the Lord’s prayer I heard quoted “Our Father which aren’t in heaven hallowed it be Thy name Thy kingdom come Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven; and tell her there is no sickness in heaven.” I heard that 3 times Sid and it so shocked me I didn’t really know how to handle it but I had led my sister my oldest sister to the Lord 3 months prior to this. And I said to the Lord “Tell somebody else about this too.” Because I knew in the scripture that it said “Out of the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses a thing is established so I said “Tell somebody else.” And so when I got home I arrived on a Friday they said that she would not live through the weekend and my sister immediately called me and said that she had had a dream and she said in the dream the Lord had said “Tell your mother the Lord’s prayer ‘Our Father who aren’t in heaven hallow it be Thy name Thy kingdom come Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.’” There is no sickness in heaven from that we were just 2 girls that didn’t know much except our mother was dying and we believed from God. And we continued to praise His name and we just went and sat by her bed and literally said nothing but the Lord’s prayer over and over quoted what we had heard.
Sid: How long did you do that?
Sandra: We did it for about 5 hours.
Sid: That’s a long time!
Sandra: Well she was in a coma and it was for at least an hour or 2 it appeared that she heard nothing but we kept doing it. I’d do it for awhile and my sister would do it for awhile we just kept doing it, we kept doing it, we kept doing it. And then slowly but surely she would bat her eyes around and make some movement and as a result of this she popped out of that semi-coma type state. Then we just kept saying we didn’t have anything else to say we just did all we knew to do. And of course now I know much better I understand now the Bible teaches in Proverbs 4:20 to 4:22 “Incline your ear unto His sayings they are life unto those that found them and health like medicine to all of their flesh.” And so the word is power the word has enough power in itself to bring forth what it proclaims. And so I didn’t know all of that then I just knew that I kept saying, kept saying just saying and finally she became totally alert and then we went and did something that I had never seen done I’d read in the Bible. I had marked my Bible totally was in blue with everything pertaining to healing. And Sid if you were to do that you’d be amazed how many blue marks you’d have in your Bible.
Sid: It’s amazing to you know someone made this statement to me once they said “If you had never heard man’s doctrine on healing and on miracles and you just read the New Testament and if for the first time in your life and someone walked up to you and said “Healing wasn’t for today” you’d think they were nuts.
Sid: It takes a lot of help to get confused in that area.
Sandra: It really does a lot of false teaching.
Sid: So tell me what you did next with your mom.
Sandra: Well the next thing we did was anoint her with oil because I had read that scripture about anointing with oil. And remember we’re Southern Baptist girls we’d never heard we were from a little baby town in Georgia. We had never heard one single teaching on healing. I was a seminary graduate at this time and I was taught at seminary that healing and signs and wonders was not for today.
Sid: And I might add you were the first woman in the nation to be ordained by the Southern Baptist in the United States.
Sandra: But I still was taught totally the opposite of what I was doing and so I…but I just believed that God is bigger than all of this so I kept quoting that and it was funny because God’s sense of humor is so outstanding. We couldn’t find any oil and I didn’t know what kind of oil the Bible said “Anoint them with oil.” So I couldn’t find any so we found a can of Crisco shortening and (Haha.)
Sid: Did you melt it?
Sandra: (Laughing) we did not melt it but we smeared that woman up we decided that a little dab will do it we could imagine what a whole can would do.
Sid: Oh no (Laughing.)
Sandra: We greased that lady up and we were doing it sincerely you know I mean we were childlike faith we were doing this sincerely we didn’t know what to do we couldn’t decide where we’re supposed to put it because it doesn’t say and we didn’t know where to put it. So we decided to just put it everywhere so we put it all over her and just prayed. And when we prayed we still prayed the same thing “Our Father which art in heaven hallow it be Thy name Thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.” Mama there is no sickness in heaven and she popped out of that I mean instantaneously was healed. I mean she jumped up out of that seat as someone had shot here with vitamins or something I mean she jumped up. I mean this woman has been in a coma!
Sid: I can imagine there must have been some rejoicing in your household.
Sandra: We had a…it was a…and she lived 28 years after that 28 years and never ever had any kind of reoccurrence of that and when she died she was not sick just died an old lady and went home to be with the Lord.
Sid: Do you believe that that’s God’s best for every one of His children?
Sandra: Oh I do, I do I believe that healing really does belong to us. And I mean don’t misunderstand me now I believe in the medical profession I thank God for the medical profession. As a matter of fact as a result of the kind of healings that we have seen here in Augusta I have had an opportunity to go on 3 different occasions the Medical College of Georgia is here in Augusta and I’ve had on 3 different occasions, or maybe it’s 4, opportunities to go and teach medical students another side of healing at their request.
Sid: You’re telling me that a medical college you’re teaching about healing in the atonement!
Sandra: Yes I am. I’m taking the word of God at their request and I’m coming in and teaching another side of healing taking the the Bible and of course people get healed the same way you get saved through a faith act. If you have faith I hear a lot of people say “Well I don’t know if I have enough faith to be healed.” If you have enough faith to be saved you certainly have enough faith to be healed because getting saved is the most outstanding thing on the face of this earth.
Sid: Now you’re a bit of a maverick because not only were you the first woman ordained by the Southern Baptist you caused a lot of trouble when you were in seminary because of this word that you had from God that you were called to pray for the sick. What happened in the seminary?
Sandra: Well when I went, and I still wasn’t Spirit filled, but after when I had an experience with God I’d go back to the seminary I have several degrees from the seminary Southwestern Theological Seminary in Fort Worth, Texas. I went back to the seminary and after this event happened with my mother I went back to the seminary and when people got sick I’d start praying for them in the dorm. And people started getting healed and I mean all kinds of things just toothaches, belly aches, leg aches, headaches anything that was happen with my you know fellow students I would pray for them. And people started getting healed. When I came under a lot of criticism for what I was doing as a matter of fact I had to move out of the dorm and go live off campus.
Sid: Isn’t that amazing?
Sandra: Yes it is amazing (Laughing.)
Sid: I mean how man with a little tradition and a little demonic managed to get so far removed from the pure of simple truth of God’s word. Tell me about how you were baptized in the Holy Spirit.
Sandra: Well that was a miraculous thing that happened Sid I actually had gone down to the Christian Retreat Center down in Bradenton, Florida.
Sid: Yes I’ve been there.
Sandra: That’s a wonderful place and I’d gone down there for a vacation type thing and was prayed for by Harold Bradeson. And everybody in the line who was prayed for would receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit except me and I went to him and I said “What’s the deal here what’s happening?” And he looked at me and I’ll never forget it he looked at me yeah and just simply looked because we were eating lunch. And he looked up and said “You have a spirit of rejection.” I mean I’m Baptist I didn’t even know what rejection was I had no earthly idea my mother and father had divorced when I was a small child but what is it I mean get rid of it. He did bat an eye he just looked up and said “Well in the name of Jesus be set free.” And kept on eating.
Sandra: Didn’t feel anything nothing happened I did not speak in tongues and I said “Did something happen?” He said “Yes in the name of Jesus something always happens.” And I said “Well okay” I came home for about 2 weeks I had a traveling job I worked for the state of Georgia as a matter of fact I was a psychologist and director of Mental Health Centers and Mental Retardation Centers Regional Director in the state of Georgia and I went traveling. And I began to cry because I didn’t receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit. And one day I was coming to Fort Gordon here in Augusta and I remember I glanced over at Fort Gordon and the next thing that I remember in the natural realm was sitting in front of my house in front of my garage which is 22 miles on the entrance to Fort Gordon. And it makes such an impression on me because I don’t remember driving those 22 miles because I was instantaneously caught up to the throne room of God.
Sid: I’ll tell you what hold that thought Sandra.
Sid: Getting ready Mishpochah for the greatest move of God’s Spirit. I believe that as Samuel Lee a former Muslim that Jesus Himself came to and revealed Himself to… Jesus Himself is coming to Muslims all over the world because this is God’s time to have mercy on people involved in Islam, on Muslims. Samuel Lee I’m expecting such a move of God’s Spirit I want you to teach whatever God wants and as He’s teaching I want our listeners, our Mishpochah, to yield, to surrender, that’s what yield means to surrender to the Holy Spirit. I pray in Yeshua, in Jesus name that people would be healed that backs would be straightened that hips would be restored, and that people would get their first love back for the Lord and that each person listening will have their own experience. I don’t mean intellectual I mean tangible manifestation an experience by the living God. Samuel Lee if you will teach.
Samuel: Surely. You know when I was praying for this radio program the Lord put the word in my heart to share with the people who are listening to this radio program. This is the word exactly what the Lord told me to tell you here on the radio. He said to tell you that darkness never wins from light. It is always light that is going to win in the end. It doesn’t matter what is your life situation. It doesn’t matter what you are going through. Maybe cancer got hold of you, maybe you are dying because of AIDS, maybe your back is hurting you, maybe your family is falling apart. I want to tell you one thing that in life darkness can never win from light. Even if light finds one little hole he will find his way through and he will shine through your life and win. Jesus Christ said He is the light of the world and that Jesus Christ who is alive today is able to change your life. He is able to change your negative into positive. He is able to change your sickness into healing. The same way the Lord said to me to tell you the same way that sickness came to you he is able the same way to leave your body and go out of you because our God is able to do it. It doesn’t matter how much darkness you may have in your life believe it or not you have never met me before but I am just giving you the word of the Holy Spirit. He is talking to you My daughter, My son, My child, My life is going to win in the end. I see in my spirit that there is a lady your husband has run away from you. God is going to bring back that husband to you. I see it in my spirit the Lord is showing me you are a black American, you are an Afro-American and your husband run away. He is coming back to you; he is going to restore your family in the name of Jesus. Because I believe God is going to win in the end. I know that right now there are people crying for God who are wanting God to touch them no matter what your need is our God is greater than your need He can touch you right where are. Let me tell you something, God is not limited only for a ministry hall, or a conference hall, or you know nice music to heal you. I was just praying for somebody in the Philippines from Amsterdam to the Philippines through the telephone. This lady had asthma for a long time and when I was praying for her on the phone life she was healed. There was no man to glorify me because I don’t want to be glorified Jesus will be glorified. But that lady was healed from asthma and God over Amsterdam is the same God over the United States God can touch you right in your heart. No man, no evangelist, no person can get in only God can get in. When you open your heart, when you let Him come to your heart I’m telling you when the holy God touches an unholy man your life is going to be changed. The only thing is you surrender to God because you cannot fight on yourself, you cannot fight with your own strength let the Holy Spirit fight for you. Because I know He is able to change your situation whatever you are going through. You can say “Preacher my life is going through a mess. I have messed it up.” I have come to tell you God is looking for messed up people, God is looking for people who are nothing and nobodies to make them somebody because made this world out of nothing. The Bible says “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God.” God created this world with His word and with His word right now that you listen through the radio in the name of Jesus, in the name of Yeshua your situation can be changed, your life can be changed, healing power can touch you when you open your heart and let Him come. Let Him come into your room maybe you are listening to this radio program in your room, or in your car, or wherever you are at your working place. I am telling you God can touch you and God wants to use your negative, God wants to your illness to glorify Himself so that one day you are going to be the person that God is going to use. Let me tell you one secret, God always uses people who are broken, God always uses people who have passion in their heart. You remember Jacob? All of his life he was limping that limping means that passion that God put on his leg. That leg that was used to run away from his brother was touched by God to limp because that gave a passion to his life. I know that maybe you are limping today in your spiritual life but God can change it for His glory. God can make you Israel, God can make you victorious over your life and I’m telling you He can do it today. Please listen to the voice of God and listen to His voice what He is going to do open your heart. God is looking for your soul, God is looking for your life He want to change you not only to heal you but change you inside out. Not only to heal your physical body but to heal your family, to heal your life, to heal you to revive you. God is able to do it. If you want so I am going to pray for you. Before I pray for you I want to ask you this question, do you know Jesus in your life? Do you know that Jesus right now is knocking on the door of your heart and saying “I want to come in.” Maybe there are secret rooms in your heart that you won’t open to Jesus but brother or sister He knows it already just give the key to Jesus and let Him open that door. I see in my spirit there is somebody you are really addicted to pornography. God can set you free right now with your Lord Jesus Christ to enter into that room, to enter into that secret room and you surrender to Him. He will set you free and He will make you a new man and give you back to your wife. You are right now listening to me and I know that God is talking to you and don’t turn that radio off because He is talking to you right now. If you don’t know Jesus in your life let me pray for you. Repeat after me and say: Dear Jesus
Sid: Dear Jesus
Samuel: I surrender to You
Sid: I surrender to You
Samuel: all my life.
Sid: all my life.
Samuel: I confess my sins
Sid: I confess my sins
Samuel: please Jesus forgive me.
Sid: please Jesus forgive me.
Samuel: I believe You are my Lord and Savior
Sid: I believe You are my Lord and Savior
Samuel: You died for me
Sid: You died for me
Samuel: and You rose again.
Sid: and You rose again.
Samuel: From today on
Sid: From today on
Samuel: I surrender
Sid: I surrender
Samuel: my life
Sid: my life
Samuel: the Key of my life
Sid: the Key of my life
Samuel: to you.
Sid: to you.
Samuel: Come and be my Lord
Sid: Come and be my Lord
Samuel: come and be my master
Sid: come and be my master
Samuel: send Your Holy Spirit to me
Sid: send Your Holy Spirit to me
Samuel: to teach me
Sid: to teach me
Samuel: to heal me
Sid: to heal me
Samuel: to change me.
Sid: to change me.
Samuel: In Jesus name, amen.
Sid: In Jesus name, amen. Pray for healing miracles right now.
Samuel: Right now I’m going to pray, Father in the name of Jesus Christ Lord I ask you to release Your anointing healing anointing upon everyone who hears my voice. Father Lord this is my anointing and this is my office You have given to me. In the name of Jesus I rebuke every sickness, I rebuke every chance that I see in my spirit that there is somebody with lung cancer. God is going to heal you right now. Heat is going to touch your chest and you feel warm in your chest God is healing you from terminal cancer. He’s able to heal you He’s going to give your life back to you now in Jesus name. I see in my spirit someone is going to be healed right now from kidney sickness. Your kidneys are hurting you God is healing you, be healed in the name of Jesus. Father I ask you to heal this man from kidney sickness in Jesus might name. Father I pray every type of sickness whether I call the name or not oh Father You are able to do it. I hear this in the name of Jesus be healed in the name of Jesus. Oh dear Holy Spirit just send Your anointing right now, send Your Holy Spirit right now and minister to these people Father Lord. Minister to their needs Father. I see somebody you are broken financially God is going to restore that financial problem in your life but you need to do your place for Jesus. Father in the name of Jesus I pray for this man, for this family restore the financial blessing to this family Father in the name of Jesus. Father I am asking you to heal the people… I see someone that’s sickness in your bones. You are getting healed right now in Jesus name. Sickness in your blood be healed in Jesus name. Father heal them from asthma, those people who are having asthma Father God is going to heal them right now in Jesus mighty name. Holy Spirit move upon every man make Your miracle, let Your life win, life win in Jesus name. Darkness go out in the name of Jesus from this house, from this family, from this person I claim the victory of Jesus over the lives of these people. Jesus Christ I trust them into Your hands and I know that you minister to them.
Sid: There is someone with prostate cancer that is healed right now in Jesus name.
Sid: I have a former Muslim that is red hot for Jesus. His name, we’re not giving him… giving you his Muslim name, nor the country he was born in the Middle East because of security reasons for his own safety. His name is Samuel Lee I’m speaking to him by way of long-distance in Amsterdam, Holland where his office is located. Samuel we were talking about how God has allowed you to walk in the miraculous. I believe there is no way you could ever reach Muslims if you did not walk in the miraculous.
Samuel: That’s correct, that’s correct.
Sid: I want you to tell me about one campaign we were talking about earlier in West Africa. It’s a Muslim nation, I imagine it’s almost a little dangerous to preach the gospel there. Tell me about it.
Samuel: Yes I was in West Africa Republic of Guinea one of the Muslim nations. One of the least reached countries in black Africa. I was in Conakry holding a crusade there. Let me tell you before I arrived there they just took my passport in the airport and they would not give it to me for 3 days. They were troubling me for holding the crusade there in the Muslim country. Then we had this you know fear that people really they were bringing so much fear into our hearts “You need to be careful there are going to attack you. They’re going to kill, and they are going to do this and you need to be careful with this crusade that you are doing…” So the devil really tried all his ways. Also they told us that Reinhard Bonnke was there. As far as I know they told me 1992 ever since he didn’t go back there again, that is was they told me I don’t know whether it is true. I was the 2nd evangelist holding that open air crusade in Conakry. Now what happened with all this fear in my heart, of course I’m ministering for Jesus Christ in the name of Jesus but I’m also a human being. So I had a little fear in my heart what is going to happen in this crusade. Then I was holding this open air crusade and I was preaching about the healing power of Jesus Christ that He can heal people, He can set them free. There was Muslims and even some Imams they were standing there and listening to my sermon. Suddenly from the back of the, you know, the multitudes in the back of the multitudes…
Sid: Imam is a leader in the Muslim faith.
Samuel: Yes exactly he is a Muslim leader he’s like a pastor or something like that.
Sid: Okay then what happened?
Samuel: What happened was this group of people they start to run and I was thinking “Oh my God this is the end they are going to rush the platform and this is the end…”
Samuel: “…of my life I’m going to be with Jesus.” I was so afraid that “God please do something.” Suddenly my interpreter said “Don’t be afraid there is nothing wrong here there is a crippled man who couldn’t walk for many years and his hands, his arms were crippled, his legs were crippled, he couldn’t walk properly. He just jumped and he was running in the field and he was rejoicing in the Lord that he is running in the field because of that people saw the miracle, live miracle that is happening to him.” They ran behind him and rejoiced with the old man and that was one of the miracles that comes in my mind right now.
Sid: Now did many of the Muslims at that meeting accept Jesus?
Samuel: Yes! A lot of Muslims accept Jesus and many of them were healed by the power of the Holy Spirit.
Sid: I want to take you back to a prayer meeting at your church on October 10, 1997.
Sid: Now was this in Holland?
Samuel: Yes this was in Holland and this was in former ministry building. We started in a very poor and old building. You know it was wooden building as I preach in sometimes the rain would fall inside.
Sid: Now was this the building you talk about in your book that the Holy Spirit told you about?
Samuel: No this is the second building.
Samuel: The first building we grow bigger so we move to the other building. But the thing is that in that building in that wooden building as we were praying it was exactly 10 October 1997. Suddenly the Holy Spirit entered into that room I was praying only with my team members. I have a wonderful team who are supporting my ministry standing behind me and we were having this prayer meeting. Suddenly the Holy Spirit you know came down and they started to be drunk in the spirit. It was so powerful that suddenly there was this you know it was like the room for children, Sunday school room. So there was a football there in the room suddenly the spirit brought me to that ball and said “Take this in your hands! Take this in your hands this is the world and I’m going to put the anointing of world evangelism upon your shoulders. I’m going to use you to the many different parts of the world to preach and proclaim Jesus Christ.” In the beginning I didn’t believe it, I didn’t believe it with all my heart. I said “No maybe I just imagined it. Maybe I’m too high for myself.” Then after the meeting finished 3 sisters confirmed the same vision that we need to start the world evangelism that we need to share the gospel to all over the world. Believe it or not from the 2 days or 1 day later I already received my invitation.
Sid: Now it sounds like that was such an awesome move of God’s Spirit. When God’s Spirit came in there you said the people were all drunk in the spirit? Tell me about that.
Samuel: They were all drunk in the spirit, they were like you know like drinking wine spiritual wine. It was so powerful I cannot explain how it is unless you yourself get that and experience yourself what that is.
Sid: Now does this happen often to you or did it just happen that one time?
Samuel: No no it happens often as the ministry, as the Holy Spirit leads, as the Holy Spirit moves in my meetings. Now of course not every meeting is like that there are some meetings were people weep, there are some meetings people they are just quiet. There are some meetings people are drunk in the Holy Spirit it depends on the time and the will of the Holy Spirit how He is going to do it in the meeting.
Sid: Now you get some very specific words of knowledge give me an example.
Samuel: Very interesting example is, one day we had a prayer meeting in our ministry. Then I start to you know pray in tongues and you know in our room we have the map of all over the world with specific countries we are praying for. Then suddenly the Lord turned my finger to the map of Korea, South Korea and He gave a word let’s say prophecy and also a word of knowledge. He said that “They have lost their first love. The church…” He said “My people in Korea they started spiritual but they are ending non-spiritual.” He said “That richness has touched them and because of richness they have forgotten Me.” Then He said “Therefore I will strike you and after I strike you I will build you up again and out of you I will call a new generation, new people with new anointing that will yield to My voice. I will shake that nation again before I will shake North Korea.” Believe it or not one week later the market crashed and Korea’s markets were all broken. People lost their jobs and they lost their businesses and through that many of them came back to the Christ, the real Christ not the theological Christ, not Christ of rule or regulation, not the Christ they worship through one man or one pastor but the living Christ the living Yeshua. Now God is choosing new generation right in Korea and bringing new moves right in that land and changing the church upside down.
Sid: You know as a new believer Samuel Lee you were instructed by the Lord to start a Bible study but you didn’t know that much about the Bible yourself let alone run a study. How did you do that?
Samuel: Well what happened was of course I was trained by some pastors who were training me and blessed me and of course of the Holy Spirit told me I must train you know my people, the people who are you know under me. Of course I’m coming from a university background so I have you know… I’m well trained in methodology and I’m well trained in you know science. So the Lord says he’s going to use all these things to glorify His name. He said “Start writing these Bible studies, start to begin with the book of Matthew every chapter and design a Bible study book for 52 weeks for every week one lesson. Be consistent and be faithful to this because I’m going to use that one day.” When I started people laughed at me, people sometimes didn’t even come to my meetings. They say “Oh this is a joke,” but I kept writing it I kept doing it. Believe it or not, that book is already published and it is used in many places in Africa and in Asia as a Bible study book in Bible colleges. All of that I have received through one man, through one personality He is my best friend, He is the greatest I have ever had in my life. Let me tell you His name His name is Holy Spirit my best friend. He teach me and He guide me then through that I design that Bible study book and even I have finished one new book under the Old Testament.
Sid: Now you have seen so many miracles people that are blind, get their site back, asthma, heart conditions been healed, tell me about that person with the broken bone in their arm.
Samuel: Yes there is this lady she had a long time ago an accident, a car accident, therefore her arm somehow was broken and they put back, you know they healed it but the arm was not straight it was not healed in the right way. So it was like little bit you know… how can I explain it?
Sid: Oh yes we understand.
Samuel: It was not straight. Then this lady she always trying to go to acupuncture, she was going to all this you know these other things…
Sid: New Age.
Samuel: Yes to heal her arm. She couldn’t receive any healing…
Sid: Quickly we’re running out of time.
Samuel: Yes. So what happened I prayed for her and she was touched by the power of the Holy Spirit one hour on the ground. Then she woke up, then she stand up she was totally healed and the arm…
Sid: I have a couple that is red hot for the Messiah I’m speaking to them at their home and office in Coconut Creek, Florida Bob and Joan Nast. In 1980 Bob it looked like it was the end of the world for you actually were involved in counterfeiting 6 million dollars?
Bob: Yes Sir.
Sid: It sounds almost like something you’d watch on TV you don’t talk to real people that are doing that. How in the world did you get into that?
Bob: Well I guess the spirit of greed come all over me this was of course before I was saved. And I got involved with some people we had some situations up in New York and I was always very legal and I just felt like the system let me down and I was about to do it on my own.
Sid: Well a miracle happened I mean an absolute miracle happened. You were supposed to get up to 60 years in prison.
Sid: What were your thought were you like well I just accepted this or what was going on inside of you you weren’t a believer in Jesus at the time? But your family is now going to be almost widowed and orphaned what was going on inside of you?
Bob: A lot of turmoil I was confused I didn’t know really what to do. But you know God is so honorable and he is so wonderful he had our 14 year old daughter that was saved and praying for us and they had our church praying for us. And one day one Sunday my 3 children and my wife and myself we were sitting in the bedroom which we always had a very good relationship with our children we always told them everything that we did right or wrong. And Sid we were sitting there and I was going on telling them that this Thursday we’re going away I’m going to the hearing because we had plead guilty and we’re going for sentencing. And Sid the television was on and all of a sudden I heard this man, and I found out later who it was I think his name was Hal Lindsey and he was talking about “The Late Great Planet Earth.” And I looked at the television and I looked at my kids and what’s he talking about hear what he just said? He said “Jesus is coming back to this earth and he told and he told about his book “The Late Great Planet Earth.” And after I got finished with it he says you know he says “I would like anybody out there that would like to go when Jesus comes back or to go and be in heaven and have and have every lasting life.” And I said “You know I don’t know what he’s saying but we have to say this prayer.” So all of us said this prayer, me not knowing what I was saying my wife didn’t know and my 2 boys but my daughter knew what we were doing because she had been praying for the last year for us. And after we said the sinners prayer and I didn’t realize I mean I didn’t have any you know I didn’t have any great things happen at that time I mean I mean no bells to whistles went off but we said the prayer. And then Hal Lindsey pointed his finger out at the television and said “There’s a man out there that’s going through a lot of situations and he’s in a lot of trouble.” I looked at the television like “Sure, there’s a lot of people out there like that that’s what came through my mind.” He said “But you’re going to hear the words I don’t know why I’m doing this and he said just remember those words” he said “Because they’re right from…there straight from the throne room of heaven.” So that was it and I didn’t think anymore of it.
Sid: So you went for the hearing and what did they sentence you to?
Bob: Well we went to the hearing and I was first and I stood before the judge and the judges everybody calls them the hanging judge because he looks like Judge Roy Bean because he has the handle bar mustache.
Sid: Oh just what you need (Laughing.)
Bob: I mean I looked at that and I said “Oh brother.” And all of the attorneys…the attorneys thought I would wind up with about 20 years. Which at that time 20 years it’s so confusing I didn’t even think how long 20 years is but when I look back my Lord 20 years is a long time.
Sid: It’s a lifetime.
Bob: It is and so I stood the before the judge and he read off the charges and he had…because we counterfeited 6 million dollars we didn’t counterfeit it all but that’s what we were going to do. We had sold to a secret servant agent one of the partners that were involved…
Sid: Well if you’re going to mess up you might as well mess up all the way I mean sell your counterfeit money to secret service agent (Laughing.)
Bob: (Laughing) This is the one time we’ll take the first shot and you know we’ll never do this again. But that’s not true.
Bob: It’s just like the drug people up there they think they’re going to make their millions and then say well that’s it for the rest of their life. No it’s a spirit of greed that gets in there and money becomes their God and they’re ruined.
Sid: So what was your sentence?
Bob: So standing there in front of the judge and he read off the charges and I pled I guess I said “I guess I’m guilty.” So he looks down and he reached…you know they do an investigative report when you go for sentencing. I had some situations in New York and some problems and he was going through this file and going through this file and sees all of these other things. All of a sudden he closes the file and he looks into my eyes and he said “I get so choked up about this every time (crying), he looks into my eyes and says I don’t know why I’m doing this but I feel like you’ve been through enough he said I’m going to give you 6 months in the federal penitentiary of your choosing.” Everybody was blown away. The attorney’s mouth dropped open.
Sid: Why did he do that?
Bob: I don’t know all I know is it was the power of God that was going through him and had won favor with God and that’s why there was no other explanation.
Sid: Alright so you’re off to prison now but you still have this daughter Joan that’s nagging you to go to church. But what was going on in your life at that time?
Joan: Well that previous year when we got in trouble my mother died and prior to that my sister of 25 years died. Bob’s father died 2 weeks after my mother and his mother died before that. We had actually 6 deaths the oldest person was I think 59 the youngest my sister was 25. My daughter was not well at the time she was having bleeding at the time she was having bleeding eternally and we couldn’t figure out why. I was depressed I was using cocaine every day drinking like a fish using every kind of drug from Quaaludes to speed to uppers and downers. I hated the world I didn’t want to live but I didn’t know how to die. I was depressed and because we hung out with a lot of people in the mafia I was very lonely because I had to separated myself from these people so I didn’t have anybody close to me. And when Bobby went off the depression got even greater because of all the loses in my family and getting separated from the people in the underworld I was dealing real estate but I had no one that I could talk to. And I didn’t think that God even wanted to hear me because of everything we had done wrong. And growing up Catholic when you do as many things wrong as we had done you were almost guaranteed you were going to hell. We didn’t know about forgiveness so every day my daughter would come home and say “Mom why don’t you come to church and get yourself right with God?” And you know I’m not going to watch you kill yourself it’s bad enough daddy’s in prison but I’m not going to watch. And I said “Leave me alone.” And she say “Come to…you know come and meet these nice people.” And I said “They’re a bunch of holy rollers and I don’t want to know them I’m different I’m bad, I take drugs, I don’t belong with those people.” And she would turn on TBN and I would turn it off every day we’d go through this. Finally one night I went to a health party with one of our very very rich friends at the time. And I don’t remember coming home I did drugs, I smoked pot I used cocaine and I drank and I had to drive maybe 15 – 20 miles and I do not remember even coming home. I got to my house I drove up on the lawn I lived up in the Country Club. I drove up on the lawn and I passed out right on the steering wheel. My kids heard the horn blowing they came down and they were 14, 16 and 17. They came out and they carried me into the house. They carried me to bed and they sat there with me. When I came to whatever time it was I got up and I guess it was accommodation of everything but I believe now that as I look back I was having a nervous breakdown. And the drugs did everything to start it off. I opened up the refrigerator and took everything out and threw it on the floor. I opened up my kitchen cabinets smashed every dish I had, coffee pots, emptied drawers out. I totally wrecked my kitchen and everything that was in there. My kids heard the commotion came out and the 3 of them my 2 sons and my daughter literally almost tied me up and put me in bed and sat there until I finally went to sleep. But when I got up in the morning I mean these wonderful kids of mine who had never done a thing wrong, never did drugs, never smoked, nothing like their parents, thank God but that’s prayer. And when I came down the whole kitchen was cleaned up and I couldn’t even…there was no coffee pot because my coffee pot was glass. And my daughter came out and she had her arms crossed and she looked at me and said “If you don’t get help right now I am running away from home.”
Joan: And I said “Evette, Evette and I thought in my mind I could not take another lose. The boy in my dreams…my husband I been with since I was 15 years old the only man in my life was in prison with seemed like it could be forever. Even though it wasn’t going to be but it just seemed that way. Everybody else in my life was gone and I thought “My God my only daughter I couldn’t take that loss.” So she said “Come to church with me this week and I said “No, I’ll go to a drug center I’ll go to AA I’ll go anyplace but not to church any place but the church.” She said “Mom I’m telling you right now if you don’t go I’m running away and you’ll never see me again.” So she called her friends up and told them to call me to pick me up for church the following week. And I fought and I said I didn’t want to but I didn’t want to lose my daughter. So they convinced me that I was in sin…I said to the man that called me “I said Jim I’m a mess Bobby’s in prison we’ve hung out with the mob, I said “We’ve stolen, we’ve done illegal things, immoral things I’m such a mess how could I even walk into a church?” So he said “Joan” he said “You come to God like a filthy rag and you let Him clean you; if you wait until you clean yourself you’ll never get there.” And I said “But I’m this and that.” Anyway he convinced me that they would pick me up on Thursday. And that was December 7, 1980. So we went into the church called “Abundant Life Christian Center” we’ve been there 21 years and when everyone walked in I heard music like I’d never heard before.
Sid: Uh oh but now we’ve got the music called the theme music coming up we’ll pick up right here on tomorrow’s broadcast and you’re going to find out how God didn’t just save her didn’t just set her free but gave them a ministry that’s changing lives.