KAREN: That are being trained, in ministry!

LAURA: Thats amazing!

KAREN: But also real-life hands-on experience! Because book knowledge is great.      

LAURA: Yeah, sure!

KAREN: But you have to be able to have experience and to see how to operate and to move and to see a family that is living in integrity at all times regardless of whether theyre on the stage, or whether theyre not on stage.

LAURA: Uh-huh. Thats revival!

KAREN: Yes!

LAURA: You know when revival comes and we want to see healed bodies but I love to see healed marriages. Being healed emotionally.

KAREN: Thats right.

LAURA: And one of the things that you deal with is how to get healed emotionally! So I want to come back to the school in just a moment but tell me about that part. Because it is so important that when you teach others that you dont just teach them about the topic.

KAREN: Thats right.

LAURA: Like I said there are many evangelists out there but it appears to me that out of the five-fold ministry youre not just an evangelist. Youre a teaching evangelist!

KAREN: Yes. Yes.

LAURA: And so tell me how you teach others to become free and cleansed emotionally.

KAREN: Well because I live through experience and Ive walked through some difficult times in my life. Ive walked through some insecurities. Ive walked, through fear. Ive walked through feeling worthless. Ive walked through not feeling like I had a voice or having a purpose. And it was only through the presence of God that I was able to overcome those things! And what I like to share with people and that is what the message of hope, the message of victory, the message of overcoming ñ

LAURA: Yes, that does it!

KAREN: Is what I share on so many times at womens conferences and different events because I want them to know that what you walk through is a good indication of who youre called to! That God has brought you to place that if He has walked you through something in your life, then He has allowed you to have the victory so that you can go and then rescue other people.

LAURA: Thats right! Thats right!

KAREN: That are walking through those same things! So many times we look through a microscope at our lives.

LAURA: Uh-huh.

KAREN: At the little details and the little things that bother us!

LAURA: Yeah!

KAREN: When Gods called us to look through a telescope.

LAURA: [laughs]

KAREN: So that we can see the bigger picture!

LAURA: I like that!

KAREN: And not just about us. Everythings not about us.

LAURA: I like that!

KAREN: Its about those who we are called to reach and rescue!

LAURA: Well and we tend to major in our minor!

KAREN: Thats right.

LAURA: Which is bad as well. So I want to just pull this out of you and just kinda camp there for just a minute. I am stunned sitting here talking to you and youre so composed and youre so secure and somebody watching just heard you say that. That youve come through fear and insecurity.

KAREN: Thats right.

LAURA: Tell us a little bit about why and then talk to them about maybe why they are stuck there and how you got out.

KAREN: Well all through my younger life I could not even stand on a stage. 

LAURA: [laughing]

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